Caprica

[Aeson]

It was nice to see a softer side of Joseph's brother. I didn't expect it to be THAT soft. See warning below, please. ~PCat

What was the living situation of the nun? Who was she married to? Were they all married to each other? I missed that part.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

What was the living situation of the nun? Who was she married to? Were they all married to each other?

Yes. It was called a "group marriage", IIRC.

 

[catsclaw227]

Yes. It was called a "group marriage", IIRC.

Yup. Yup. I recall that as well.

I like the way that the different types of relationships are portrayed as equally and universally accepted norms. Foreign to most cultures on our Earth for sure.

But I agree with the comment about the racism being colonial in nature. Carrying over from BSG, the Capricans, Sagitarons, Taurons, etc (don't bother checking my spelling, it was a dart into the black...) are all portrayed in certain ways, and there is still racism and bigotry.

So the racism has simply elevated from continental borders to planetary borders. Nice.

(Humans suck)



Back to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

From the perspective of a BSG fan - it's interesting to note that the 12 Colonies are definitely not part of one single government at this time. This probably only happens in response to the Cylon war. At the time of "Exodus" from the 12 Colonies, people had overcome most of their "colonialism" - but not all, as evidenced in some episodes (The Woman King for example, but also where Baltar revealed that he's not actually from Caprica and took on the Caprician accent to conceal his heritage).

 

[shilsen]

It was nice to see a softer side of Joseph's brother. I didn't expect it to be THAT soft.

I may be misunderstanding, so feel free to correct me, but I think you're saying that homosexuality = soft. Could you explain why? Does that mean heterosexuality = hard? I don't get it.

Yup. Yup. I recall that as well.

I like the way that the different types of relationships are portrayed as equally and universally accepted norms. Foreign to most cultures on our Earth for sure.

I thought that was a nice touch too. It gets a bit boring when societies in sci-fi end up having just the same setup as real world cultures (most of the time, late 20th-early 21st c. American or European culture).

But I agree with the comment about the racism being colonial in nature. Carrying over from BSG, the Capricans, Sagitarons, Taurons, etc (don't bother checking my spelling, it was a dart into the black...) are all portrayed in certain ways, and there is still racism and bigotry.

So the racism has simply elevated from continental borders to planetary borders. Nice.(Humans suck)

Yup

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I may be misunderstanding, so feel free to correct me, but I think you're saying that homosexuality = soft. Could you explain why? Does that mean heterosexuality = hard? I don't get it.

Did you note the smiley? You don't really have to analyze it deeply - jokes don't get funnier when you do, usually. Still, if you need to:

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To explain the cliché:
- Heterosexual Man: Hard
- Heterosexual Woman: Soft
- Homosexual Man: Soft
- Homosexual Woman: Hard

Of course, the cliché is probably both homophobe and sexist. Which makes it a very good starting point for a joke.

Of course, we can also see it entirely without the homosexuality and sexism. It can just be that we notice that he acts gentle, friendly and compassionate around his husband, a behavior you might not expect for a person that kills senators (?) in their bed or beats up people in the streets.
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[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

Polyamory in various forms has been kicking around in human societies just about forever. We've done a real good job of marginalizing it, but a subset of the population always practices it. Not really that unusual.

Actually, taking "traditional" marriage as seriously as we do nowadays is fairly new. Or, perhaps more accurately, it's back in fashion.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Polyamory in various forms has been kicking around in human societies just about forever. We've done a real good job of marginalizing it, but a subset of the population always practices it. Not really that unusual.

Actually, taking "traditional" marriage as seriously as we do nowadays is fairly new. Or, perhaps more accurately, it's back in fashion.

Well, as I said, difference between Caprican/Colonial culture and ours. I tend to think that most of us here are more rooted in the Western Culture, that as you say it, marginalizes other forms of marriage or family structures.

I might have been more precise in this in a post on another board, though.

 

[shilsen]

Did you note the smiley?

Yes. I just didn't think that made it any funnier.

You don't really have to analyze it deeply - jokes don't get funnier when you do, usually.

Some do. And sometimes you just discover that the person is trying to pass off sexism or homophobia as humor. Which, if not particularly amusing, is at least instructive.

Of course, the cliché is probably both homophobe and sexist. Which makes it a very good starting point for a joke.

Does it? I thought being funny is a good starting point for a joke. And being funny without having to be homophobic or sexist is even better, though it does require a little more creativity.

Of course, we can also see it entirely without the homosexuality and sexism. It can just be that we notice that he acts gentle, friendly and compassionate around his husband, a behavior you might not expect for a person that kills senators (?) in their bed or beats up people in the streets.

Personally, I think that actually made him a more rounded, interesting and believable character. Multidimensional characters are fun, and BSG has generally been good at delivering them.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Does it? I thought being funny is a good starting point for a joke.

No. You can't be funny in a vacuum, you need a theme, a topic, an issue.

Or can you?

xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe
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