This mentality needs to die

[bagger245]

Hmm, Kevin says that in the earlier 2000's that Chris had a more dramatic nature.

Last year, someone told me...that he (Chris) is more mechanical in nature (less dramatic?)

Which one of you cast a alignment shift on that man?

I am interested to see him DM 3.5e or earlier D&D to see if there is a difference.

 

[nedjer]

Kzach has just gotten himself suspended for a few weeks. I'll be addressing the thread's other problems in a second. Guys, you know better - stop with the edition war crap and the veiled (or otherwise!) insults. No one wants to read it, honestly. I'd much rather we talk about the games we love, instead of complaining about the ones we don't.

Be good if all the energy put into Edition Fury went into something more constructive. As a relative EN newbie it's slightly bizarre to see so many topics veer off in the direction of the Edition Wars lowest common denominator. What about creating more players, or seeking out the common ground for 5E and presenting a concensus to WotC, how about asking WotC Youtube guy to get fired up like he's going snowboarding and tape a self designed game session with four teenagers who know the basics?

 

[S'mon]

how about asking WotC Youtube guy to get fired up like he's going snowboarding and tape a self designed game session with four teenagers who know the basics?

Personally I would really like to see a video of an 'all stars' game with one of the best GMs plus a bunch of the best players in the hobby. I suspect I could learn a lot from that.

 

[AllisterH]

I do think this transcends editions....

As mentioned earlier, I suggest people look through their old DRAGON "Ask the Sage" columns...Skip was a stickler for the letter of the law and if this was 2e and the player was using the 2e equivalent, "Faerie Fire", I would expect Sage to say the EXACT same thing....

 

[Jack99]

Personally I would really like to see a video of an 'all stars' game with one of the best GMs plus a bunch of the best players in the hobby. I suspect I could learn a lot from that.

Now, if we could just get a consensus on what constitutes the best DM and best player.....

 

[S'mon]

Now, if we could just get a consensus on what constitutes the best DM and best player.....

Well, I've seen a lot of praise for Chris Perkins (until this thread!); Kevin Kulp/Piratecat is universally praised by those he's GM'd for, and Mike Mearls sounds like he must be a pretty good GM too.

As for players, I'd go by whoever the GM thinks are the bestest, funnest players to run a game for.

 

[Relique du Madde]

Out of interest, why are you insulted? I'm just pointing out, with no malice, that faeries are iconic with in the community. I mean, I know of two fairy cults that are intertwined with the gothic scene here.

The player I mentioned wasn't interested in game mechanics but just a freak for faeries and stuff of that nature (get it). Of course, I know that and you didn't but I wasn't trying to offend anybody, so I apologize.

Faeries are not iconic to the goth community and have nothing to do with goth. Faeries (dark faeries and UnSeelie) are just another piece of folk-lore/myth that was cooped by goths and popularized by the over abundance of faerie related merchandise that appeared in Hot-Topic during the late 1990s and early 2000s.

"Faerie cults," however, are an off shoot of Neo-Paganism, Spiritualism and New Age-ism. It is only became prevalent within the goth subculture because the goths are more open, accepting and non-judgmental of that sort of thing compared to other groups/scenes.

Liking faeries or being a member of a "faerie cult" is not a requirement of being goth nor is being goth a requirement of liking faeries or being a member of a "faerie cult". Limiting one's creative desires based on what subculture they identify with is some what is insulting, as is assuming every individual within that subculture would express their creative desires using the same method. Is was what I thought you were doing in your post. I thought you were denigrating that player's creativity by adding a "goth/emo kid" as a pejorative (which was why I was insulted).

As you said, it wasn't meant as a pejorative, so I apologize for taking it the wrong way.

 

[Ourph]

Did anyone else notice that Chris was having the players use their Basic Attack when they could easily be using an power? That happened twice (once with Steel Diamond and again with the Goliath), so I don't know if it was a mistake or a conscious decision. Either way, that seems like a bigger "sin" to me than the call he made on Darkfire.

 

[bagger245]

Did anyone else notice that Chris was having the players use their Basic Attack when they could easily be using an power? That happened twice (once with Steel Diamond and again with the Goliath), so I don't know if it was a mistake or a conscious decision. Either way, that seems like a bigger "sin" to me than the call he made on Darkfire.

Yeah, i posted in another forum saying it was basic melee attack galore. Maybe because he expects the player to tell him when they want to use an at-will. Though I think everyone would recommend a newbie to use the greencards. It's not a norm but hey, it's the first time I see the melee basic attack being used frequently in 4e.

 

[Pig Champion]

Faeries are not iconic to the goth community

*snip*

As you said, it wasn't meant as a pejorative, so I apologize for taking it the wrong way.

I guess we'll agree to disagree then. I hope I did that snip trick right haha.

LOL! That would have been cool. I can see it now...

"Awww, your'e just so cute!...The full moon really highlights your gossamer little wings!...Wait!...What's happening to you?...Stay Away!...Aaaaaaaaaah!"

Yup, Very Cool Indeed!

I know right, we had quite a lot of fun with it.