Hi!
It may seem like this post is a big wall of text (and it is), but the truth is that I like to go for quick sections. It's going to be less painful than it seems!
I'm going to start a new campaign, and I decided to go for a rogue.
Our DM decided to bring some Pathfinder rules and classes in the campaign: one of these is the feat gain at every odd level.
So I play a rogue who can have a feat at every level, as I can use Pathfinder's rogue, as long as I choose feats that exist in 3.5, even for my rogue ones.
My party has a Sorcerer (that will multiclass to Dracolexi), a Druid (that wants to be an Arcane Hierophant) and an Assassin / bunch of fighting classes.
I want to do a two weapon fighting rogue (nothing new), but I don't really want to optimize it to the death. I was thinking about a simple Rogue 5 / Invisible Blade 5 / Rogue +15.
I may accept other builds, but nothing too strange (so no, I won't take a monk level or an extremely complicated group of classes).
So, straight to my questions:
1) Which race should I choose?
2) Which feats?
I can use all 3.5 and Pathfinder's books...to be honest, everything that hasn't been houseruled is fine to my DM.
RACES
We are going to play in an evil campaign, starting from the underground, so no pretty elves.
Starting level will be around 3/4, so we can choose races that have lep > 0.
I was thinking about those races (I report them so you don't have to go look in all manuals, but I'll write down just important features):
- Tiefling
Tieflings have +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Cha, +2 on bluff and hide checks, some resistances, outsider type and its favored class is rogue, at a LEP +1 price.
I don't like losing charisma for a rogue, but I guess it's ok.
- Drow
Drows get +2 to Dex, Int and Cha and a -2 Cos. SR, +2 to spot, listen and search, some magics...but his favored class is wizard and has LEP +2.
A pain in the ass if my DM plays multiclassing by the rules.
- Shadowswyft (Planar Handbook)
Shadowswyfts get +2 dex, -2 con, outsider type, 40 feet base speed, +2 on initiative checks, +4 on hide and move silently checks, favored class is rogue all for a LEP +1.
Nice!
- Chitine (Underdark)
Chitines get +2 Dex, +2 Cos, +2 Int, -4 Cha, small size, +8 on climb checks (plus the ability to climb on ceilings, which is cool for a stealth pc), +2D8 HD, +2 BAB, +3 on Will and Reflex checks, +5x(2+int) skill points, bonus feat, bonus Multiweapon Fighting (which I may trade for something else, as it doesn't exist anymore), favored class rogue and LEP +2.
Great race, if it wasn't for that -4 to Charisma.
- Whisper Gnome (Races of Stone)
WGs get +2 to Dex and Con, -2 to Cha and Str, small size (but 30 feet speed), +4 to Hide checks (to a total of +8, considering it's small), +4 on Move Silently checks, +2 on Listen and Spot checks, some magic, favored class is rogue and no LEP.
With the Titan Fighting feat on this race I'd add the +4 dodge to AC to an enemy which is at least one size larger than me (so, most of the encounters).
I can't think of any other race. If you think you have something else to show me, let me know!
FEATS
That's where I don't really know what to do. I mean, I have to choose 13 regular feats, 4 rogue feats and 6 advanced rogue feats.
I was thinking of (I'll mark with an * those I can take with my rogue bonus feats, ** if they are in the advanced list):
Two Weapons Fighting *
Fast Stealth *
Titan Fighting (if Whisper Gnome)
Opportunist ** (good for flanking)
Weapon Finesse *
Improved Initiative *
Weapon Focus (dagger) *
Quick Draw *
Here is a feat gaining table if I go with the Rogue 5 / IB 5 / Rogue +15:
F= Feat, R= Rogue Feat, A= Advanced Rogue Feat
Rogue
1. F: TWF
2. R: Weapon Finesse
3. F: Improved Initiative
4. R: Fast Stealth
5. F: Weapon Focus (Dagger)
Invisible Blade
6.
7. F: Quick Draw (+ Hidden Blade skill trick)
8.
9. F
10.
Rogue
11. F, R
12.
13. F, R
14.
15. F, A: Opportunist
What else should I take? In which order?
Which items should I consider?
I guess something that boosts AC, as I'll have no armor!
Thanks for your help, and sorry if this post is "a tad big".
Also, sorry for my english!
It may seem like this post is a big wall of text (and it is), but the truth is that I like to go for quick sections. It's going to be less painful than it seems!
I'm going to start a new campaign, and I decided to go for a rogue.
Our DM decided to bring some Pathfinder rules and classes in the campaign: one of these is the feat gain at every odd level.
So I play a rogue who can have a feat at every level, as I can use Pathfinder's rogue, as long as I choose feats that exist in 3.5, even for my rogue ones.
My party has a Sorcerer (that will multiclass to Dracolexi), a Druid (that wants to be an Arcane Hierophant) and an Assassin / bunch of fighting classes.
I want to do a two weapon fighting rogue (nothing new), but I don't really want to optimize it to the death. I was thinking about a simple Rogue 5 / Invisible Blade 5 / Rogue +15.
I may accept other builds, but nothing too strange (so no, I won't take a monk level or an extremely complicated group of classes).
So, straight to my questions:
1) Which race should I choose?
2) Which feats?
I can use all 3.5 and Pathfinder's books...to be honest, everything that hasn't been houseruled is fine to my DM.
RACES
We are going to play in an evil campaign, starting from the underground, so no pretty elves.
Starting level will be around 3/4, so we can choose races that have lep > 0.
I was thinking about those races (I report them so you don't have to go look in all manuals, but I'll write down just important features):
- Tiefling
Tieflings have +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Cha, +2 on bluff and hide checks, some resistances, outsider type and its favored class is rogue, at a LEP +1 price.
I don't like losing charisma for a rogue, but I guess it's ok.
- Drow
Drows get +2 to Dex, Int and Cha and a -2 Cos. SR, +2 to spot, listen and search, some magics...but his favored class is wizard and has LEP +2.
A pain in the ass if my DM plays multiclassing by the rules.
- Shadowswyft (Planar Handbook)
Shadowswyfts get +2 dex, -2 con, outsider type, 40 feet base speed, +2 on initiative checks, +4 on hide and move silently checks, favored class is rogue all for a LEP +1.
Nice!
- Chitine (Underdark)
Chitines get +2 Dex, +2 Cos, +2 Int, -4 Cha, small size, +8 on climb checks (plus the ability to climb on ceilings, which is cool for a stealth pc), +2D8 HD, +2 BAB, +3 on Will and Reflex checks, +5x(2+int) skill points, bonus feat, bonus Multiweapon Fighting (which I may trade for something else, as it doesn't exist anymore), favored class rogue and LEP +2.
Great race, if it wasn't for that -4 to Charisma.
- Whisper Gnome (Races of Stone)
WGs get +2 to Dex and Con, -2 to Cha and Str, small size (but 30 feet speed), +4 to Hide checks (to a total of +8, considering it's small), +4 on Move Silently checks, +2 on Listen and Spot checks, some magic, favored class is rogue and no LEP.
With the Titan Fighting feat on this race I'd add the +4 dodge to AC to an enemy which is at least one size larger than me (so, most of the encounters).
I can't think of any other race. If you think you have something else to show me, let me know!
FEATS
That's where I don't really know what to do. I mean, I have to choose 13 regular feats, 4 rogue feats and 6 advanced rogue feats.
I was thinking of (I'll mark with an * those I can take with my rogue bonus feats, ** if they are in the advanced list):
Two Weapons Fighting *
Fast Stealth *
Titan Fighting (if Whisper Gnome)
Opportunist ** (good for flanking)
Weapon Finesse *
Improved Initiative *
Weapon Focus (dagger) *
Quick Draw *
Here is a feat gaining table if I go with the Rogue 5 / IB 5 / Rogue +15:
F= Feat, R= Rogue Feat, A= Advanced Rogue Feat
Rogue
1. F: TWF
2. R: Weapon Finesse
3. F: Improved Initiative
4. R: Fast Stealth
5. F: Weapon Focus (Dagger)
Invisible Blade
6.
7. F: Quick Draw (+ Hidden Blade skill trick)
8.
9. F
10.
Rogue
11. F, R
12.
13. F, R
14.
15. F, A: Opportunist
What else should I take? In which order?
Which items should I consider?
I guess something that boosts AC, as I'll have no armor!
Thanks for your help, and sorry if this post is "a tad big".
Also, sorry for my english!
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