[D&D 4e] IG's "Those Left Behind, Chapter 4" [OOC]

[jkason]

The question I have is the range. I'm not sure if Dyspeer has to be adjacent to the target before the attack, or just after the 5 square shift.

My assumption was the latter, since it seemed odd to me to allow for such a big shift if the intent wasn't to allow the animal companion to close, but I'm still trying to get a feel for this shifting / sliding stuff.

Of course that's really academic given...

Nope.

We're stunned. That means NO actions. No minors, no moves, no standards, and no interrupts. We don't even get free actions.

This is why stuns are so devastating.

Got it. I put it out as a question because I really wasn't sure. I'm used to Magic, where immediate or interrupt type cards happen in a kind of reverse order (so Shai's ability would trigger just before his stunning), but I wasn't sure how that worked in 4e.

Just for the record, second wind is an action, as well, correct? So I'll have to wait for Shai to be un-stunned (and conscious ) to use it?

In any case, looks like we take another round of pain.

Oh!, and another question since I'm thinking about it, for later action if I get a chance: does the swarm extend all the way up to the ceiling? If not, how high does it extend?

 

[industrygothica]

IG, you did remember that the BP that Uulark hit is -4 to its attacks until the end of U's next turn, didn't you?

Except that Uulark hasn't gone yet, because he's second-to-last in the initiative order in front of Caerwyn.

But yes, I remembered. Even so, it hit twice, and both were crits.

 

[industrygothica]

Nope.

We're stunned. That means NO actions. No minors, no moves, no standards, and no interrupts. We don't even get free actions.

This is why stuns are so devastating.

And people wondered why I wanted to talk about this OOC first.. Thanks for clarifying so articulately.

My assumption was the latter, since it seemed odd to me to allow for such a big shift if the intent wasn't to allow the animal companion to close, but I'm still trying to get a feel for this shifting / sliding stuff.

Of course that's really academic given...



Got it. I put it out as a question because I really wasn't sure. I'm used to Magic, where immediate or interrupt type cards happen in a kind of reverse order (so Shai's ability would trigger just before his stunning), but I wasn't sure how that worked in 4e.

Just for the record, second wind is an action, as well, correct? So I'll have to wait for Shai to be un-stunned (and conscious ) to use it?

In any case, looks like we take another round of pain.

Oh!, and another question since I'm thinking about it, for later action if I get a chance: does the swarm extend all the way up to the ceiling? If not, how high does it extend?

Honestly, I haven't thought about that. I'd say it probably does though. What did you have in mind? I might be able to work with you--believe it or not, I'm not trying for a TPK in the first encounter...

Maybe just a 1/2PK.


-IG

*EDIT* Ok, something didn't set right with me, and I think I've figured it out.

Interrupt powers happen BEFORE the triggering action resolves. So, if Shai was using an Immediate Interrupt power, I think he'd be able to use it in this case because, technically (PH268), the interrupt would happen before the stun, since it was the stun attack that bloodied him.

HOWEVER, the power that Shai wants to use is an Immediate Reaction, not Interrupt. Reaction powers do not happen until the triggering action is completely resolved, which, in this case, robs Shai of his chance to use it.

For future references, does anyone read that differently?

 

[industrygothica]

Leif--

It's your turn. You can use the actions from before, or keep them and do something different in light of current events. Up to you.


-IG

 

[renau1g]

IG, I agree with you interrupts happen before the action that triggers them, which makes them much more valuable (IMO) than reactions, which happen after the action that triggers them.

 

[Shayuri]

Ahh, IG, you are right! Thanks for pointing that out. Very good point...and one, in fact, that I think Talashia can use to her advantage. That Stun power was an area one right? Close Burst?

Oy! Doesn't matter! IG? I may need a significant rewrite on this next round.

When the moth pulls its stun attack, Talashia can use Slaad's Gambit as an Interrupt. It teleports her 7 squares (thus avoiding the attack), and then does damage to the moths. From there, she'll not be stunned. This will let me use Spark Form and an AP to put a Howling Tempest around Caerwynn...and then move my Hurricane so as to give Rogash some breathing room.

Ahem. I know that's a lot. I assumed that being stunned would stop me from using any of Talashia's interrupts...of which she has several. The realization that interrupts -precede- the stun, opens up a world of possibilities.

 

[jkason]

Honestly, I haven't thought about that. I'd say it probably does though. What did you have in mind? I might be able to work with you--believe it or not, I'm not trying for a TPK in the first encounter...

Maybe just a 1/2PK.

Nothing especially inspired, I'm afraid. I had just realized that Shai has a wildshape daily power that lets him shift back and forth to a flying form at will for the length of an encounter. I'd just been pondering that it might be handy for getting to the door and / or setting up some kind of flanking action, but that would only be if he could get above the swarm. If he'd be moving through it either way, just changing movement modes wouldn't be likely to help much.

*EDIT* Ok, something didn't set right with me, and I think I've figured it out.

Interrupt powers happen BEFORE the triggering action resolves. So, if Shai was using an Immediate Interrupt power, I think he'd be able to use it in this case because, technically (PH268), the interrupt would happen before the stun, since it was the stun attack that bloodied him.

HOWEVER, the power that Shai wants to use is an Immediate Reaction, not Interrupt. Reaction powers do not happen until the triggering action is completely resolved, which, in this case, robs Shai of his chance to use it.

For future references, does anyone read that differently?

Got it. Makes sense to me. Like I said, this is my first 4e combat ever, so I'm mostly just trying to get my head around how powers and power types work.

jason

 

[industrygothica]

Ahh, IG, you are right! Thanks for pointing that out. Very good point...and one, in fact, that I think Talashia can use to her advantage. That Stun power was an area one right? Close Burst?

Oy! Doesn't matter! IG? I may need a significant rewrite on this next round.

When the moth pulls its stun attack, Talashia can use Slaad's Gambit as an Interrupt. It teleports her 7 squares (thus avoiding the attack), and then does damage to the moths. From there, she'll not be stunned. This will let me use Spark Form and an AP to put a Howling Tempest around Caerwynn...and then move my Hurricane so as to give Rogash some breathing room.

Ahem. I know that's a lot. I assumed that being stunned would stop me from using any of Talashia's interrupts...of which she has several. The realization that interrupts -precede- the stun, opens up a world of possibilities.

So, basically I need to scrap the BG-only round, and back up partially through the last round so Talashia can do her thing, and then start over again with round two? Egads... you're killin' me!

It'll probably be later tonight before I can get to it though... got a wedding to go to tonight.

 

[Leif]

For the record, Second Wind doesn't specify whether it is a minor action or a std. action (at least as far as I can tell), so I'm assuming it's standard. Renau1g, have any thoughts?

 

[industrygothica]

It's a standard action. Unless you're a dwarf, I believe, for which it is a minor action.