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What would WotC need to do to win back the disenchanted?

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So are you suggesting that WotC can win you back as a customer by dropping hit-points? :erm:
Nah, I'm saying they should change all the people into ships. HMS Gutboy Barrelhouse versus USS Aggro the Axe.

Hey, at least it would be verisimilitudinous!
 

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Make a book that I actually enjoy reading.

To do that, they need to release a book with smaller font, more text, fewer unnecessary graphical frills, and which I writing which is at above the 6th grade level. The artwork needs to look like something better than that of a talented junior high student and needs to appeal to something other than junior high sensibilities. D&D used to be known for artwork that you could slap on the cover of a mainstream fantasy novel. No writer in his right mind would want to advertise his work with the sort of art 4e tries to advertise itself with.

I can't read the 4e books. They are boring and insipid. I find no joy in them. They are the first generation of D&D books that are actually boring to me. I used to enjoy going to a book store and pulling a gaming book off the shelf and reading it. I never do that with 4e anymore, and if I never read the books there will certainly be no excitement to play the games.

Some people will probably complain that they need all that crap to sell a book nowdays, because modern readers are just idiots who can't judge a book by its content. I disagree. Readers will always gravitate to content, regardless if they are 15, 25, or 50. Pictures may attract the eye or suggest a level of professionalism that suggests the book is worth reading, but within minutes of picking up a book pictures fade into the background and you mentally stop seeing them because you are reading the text. Too much time spent on artwork when that artwork crowds out content and makes the book expensive. Writing always trumps artwork, and the writing just isn't there. It's a snore. World of Warcraft can get away with bad writing and cartoonish graphics because WoW has wholly different focuses of gameplay and mental stimulus. For a PnP game, it's lethal. So yeah, some art is very good. But lots of art and bad writing is suggestive of badly misplaced priorities.

And the irony to me is that the art is so suggestive of lack of depth and maturity that its probably actually losing as much as its gaining in accessibility (again, PnP games will never be as accessible as WoW for the same reasons that text based MUDs will never be accessible as WoW dispite having almost identical game play).

Sure, this is a rant, but there was a brief time after 4e came out when I thought to myself, "You know, this isn't really the game for me, but it looks like it could be fun for certain things. Maybe I'll run a game." But that desire got killed by the deadly boringness of rule books.
 






I agree most with two things I've seen said here, so I'm just paraphrasing:

1) WotC doesn't want players like me back, I don't think. They've shown nothing to suggest they do.

But, But ....

They just released a new 4e package in the red box! With ELMORE ART!!!! Surely THAT'S enough to get back us older players! They are specifically targeting older players with that box!

The game inside you may not recognize as D&D, but the outside is reminiscent of the D&D you recognize.
 

As someone who has played every version of D&D and AD&D that has been released over the past 30 years, I'm saddened by my utter lack of interest in the latest, official version of Dungeons & Dragons. To me, it looks like they made a deliberate point to move away from D&D's roots and classic elements in order to redefine the game for a new generation.

My hope is that they figure out that they've alienated a large portion of their long-term, loyal customers and attempt to woo us back. The fact that the pro-WotC sentiment on these boards has significantly eroded since 4th edition's release points to marketing and design errors on WotC's part rather than baseless "nerd rage" running rampant in these forums.

Well said! This more than anything is what has me at least annoyed at WOTC. If they make a game I enjoy I will buy prodicts from them. I Still bought Star Wars products. But now they make a game distinctly different from the other editions of D&D.
 

You know, both the Red Box and the Essentials line indicate to me that WotC does want the customers they "fired" back.

Perhaps they realized that those customers actually bought things.

And that gives me hope for 5e.


RC
 

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