Hackmaster won an ORIGINS award in 2001

[Chainsaw]

How dare he dislike AD&D, God's own gift to gaming! I know, it's a horrible sin, and agree he must be flayed alive for it.

Last I checked, people were allowed to have whatever opinions they want (like dungeondelver not liking Baugh) and they didn't have to run them by you first - but thanks for chiming in.

No, not really. Lots of people dislike or don't care about AD&D. Do you boycott their stuff, too?

Maybe so. Oh, and let's not forget that Baugh basically invited that because.. well.. look WHAT HE WROTE:

"I would settle, however, for so annoying them that they never buy any product I'm involved with again.."

 

[Chainsaw]

Nope. Not even familiar with it. Just curious how you boycotted someone whose name you didn't know.

To be fair, failing to recall someone's name one afternoon and to not recognize it on the cover or inside page of a module are pretty different.

 

[Crothian]

I think the Origin awards are the big winner here. They must be happy to hearthat people care about what happened in them 9 years ago. We don't have people talking about the ENnies or other awards from even a few years back.

 

[Verdande]

So this guy doesn't like that in 2001 that people voted for their favorite and should have voted for his favorite? What a unique and interesting complaint *rolls eyes*

 

[jonesy]

So this guy doesn't like that in 2001 that people voted for their favorite and should have voted for his favorite? What a unique and interesting complaint *rolls eyes*

It's not even that. He was complaining that the wrong products got the wrong awards. His Adventure! won Best Role-Playing Game, while Hackmaster won Game of the Year. He was saying that they should have been the other way around.

 

[Reynard]

And here I thought slagging people personally was against this board's policy. Huh.

I worked for Bruce (yes, on that "abortion") and you have never met a nicer guy or better developer (except maybe Exalted's GGG). Is he opinionated? Well, is he a gamer?

I like -- no, *luv* -- Hackmaster, and am glad it won the Origins Award in 2001. My having that opinion in no way invalidates Bruce's opinion, even if it is somewhat unkind and controversial. I think the idea that you'd never support him via buying his work is perfectly valid, if a little extreme. And I think his -- or anyone's -- opinion on the validity of an award win for a game like Hackmaster (or any "remake" or "retroclone" or whatever) is a perfectly valid discussion to have.

But to actually insult him is going too far and I hope the Mods are watching this thread and some folks will get warnings. Very poor form, the lot of you.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Edited: Nevermind. Nothing to see here.

 

[JohnRTroy]

No, he did not. Unless his point was "wah, the hoi-palloi don't know what's good for them, how dare they still like an AD&D pastiche", which is what it appears that it was. And that's a stupid, ignorant and petulant point which is easily dismissed.

To be honest, I suspect it was more aimed at Hackmaster being a parody game that sort of made fun of AD&D. Why should a game that more or less is seen as a parody win the awards and all that. So on that level I understand where he is coming from.

The rest is just vocal ranting I dismiss a bit. Bruce does seem to annoy some gamers though.

Then again, so did Gary Gygax.

The funny thing is many people who would get upset about all this stuff (dissing of early (A)D&D) are the same people who would have no trouble saying similar dismissive things about 3e/4e or Storyteller or anything that didn't fit in with their own dogmatic view of RPGs.

The key thing is--people need to stop taking this stuff so seriously, and think dismissing a game is equivalent to condemnation of themselves a human being. I have a feeling if we took every author's every opinions as a serious offense we would not buy anything from anybody.

 

[Chainsaw]

I think the idea that you'd never support him via buying his work is perfectly valid, if a little extreme.

Recall that it was his suggestion, so I suppose he really set the tone, no?

 

[Fifth Element]

I'm sorry, morrus. Big fan of mr. Baugh's work?

Speaking as a fellow unintentional boycotter of his work, you should probably just admit that Morrus' comment was darnedly funny, and avoid the defensive, motive-assuming reaction. You're boycotting someone, but you don't remember his name? How do you know you're boycotting him if you don't know his name?