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No Character Builder Update
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Yes, it's the difference between a 'contract' and an 'implied contract.'
Well, I can't help but feel disappointed. I was really looking forward to the update because I am planning on running an online DarkSun campaign.
It makes it so much easier to build characters and coordinate with my players using the CB and Adventure tools.
If anyone has any ideas on other tools I can use to get started on my game, please share them. I'd hate to have my players wait another month to start.
It makes it so much easier to build characters and coordinate with my players using the CB and Adventure tools.
If anyone has any ideas on other tools I can use to get started on my game, please share them. I'd hate to have my players wait another month to start.
Holy Bovine
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Use these first then convert to MS Word?
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True_Blue
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I started a new Dark Sun game last weekend, and I was definitely disappointed that the Character Builder wasn't updated, but I just jiggered it in the Character Builder and was able to have my PC's have everything they needed.
One PC made a Mul. I just didnt give him a race. For ability scores, I just upped it to what it would have been (making it houseruled), and in the character sheet part I added his extra healing surge and his bonuses to skills, and then printed it out, no problem. For his racial power, I just created a quick card for it.
For the Warlock with the Sorcerer-King pact, I just didnt choose a pact and then made a quick card for Hand of Blight.
For both the Humans, I created a quick card for the +4 to one roll an encounter.
And then for the themes, I just created quick cards for each of the encounter powers, and two of the PC's even had the same Theme (Veiled Alliance), so that even made it a little easier.
While it would have been simpler to just have the Character Builder have it, it really wasnt this big ordeal to make changed to it either. It took maybe 20-30 mins? That may be a lot to some people, but to me it was worth the time and very easily done.
I *really* wanted the Character Builder done, for the Dark Sun material and the Psionic Power material, it even would have been nice with Essentials in there. But seriously, when that didnt work out, it took just a little bit and I was able to be just fine. I'm literally floored that some people chose to play a different game for one or two weeks just because the Character Builder wasn't updated. It really was that hard to just mess with a couple of things, or create your own? I mean, with my stuff, 90-95% of the stuff I needed was still in the Character Builder, and only a few things needed to be created by me.
I guess I'm just amazed that people are *that* reliant on it. Its almost scary that people have come to rely on it needing to be up to date. I understand if you dont have the Character Builder at all, then 4e can look a little daunting to create. But we are talking about an Update, sure it has some juicy bits in it, but it can't encompass most of your PC group, can it? I mean literally your group is made up of all Muls, Thri-Kreens, Sorcerer-King pact Warlocks, Wild Battleminds, and possibly other things that are in the Psionic Power book?
Again, dissapointing, but not very hard to get around with just a little bit of time, literally 20-30 mins, which I still believe most people can find.
If the Character Builder has only had this problem twice in the span of two years, I find that *wonderful* customer service and honestly exceeds my expectations by a lot. I'm actually amazed people are complaining about it. Sure its unfortunate it happened right at the time everyone seemed to want to start a Dark Sun game, and that sucks, but man twice is awesome to me. Instead of demanding a refund, I would have thought most people would have loved the track record. I guess people are just sensitive because its around Dark Sun/Essentials time, or at least I hope that is the reason.
One PC made a Mul. I just didnt give him a race. For ability scores, I just upped it to what it would have been (making it houseruled), and in the character sheet part I added his extra healing surge and his bonuses to skills, and then printed it out, no problem. For his racial power, I just created a quick card for it.
For the Warlock with the Sorcerer-King pact, I just didnt choose a pact and then made a quick card for Hand of Blight.
For both the Humans, I created a quick card for the +4 to one roll an encounter.
And then for the themes, I just created quick cards for each of the encounter powers, and two of the PC's even had the same Theme (Veiled Alliance), so that even made it a little easier.
While it would have been simpler to just have the Character Builder have it, it really wasnt this big ordeal to make changed to it either. It took maybe 20-30 mins? That may be a lot to some people, but to me it was worth the time and very easily done.
I *really* wanted the Character Builder done, for the Dark Sun material and the Psionic Power material, it even would have been nice with Essentials in there. But seriously, when that didnt work out, it took just a little bit and I was able to be just fine. I'm literally floored that some people chose to play a different game for one or two weeks just because the Character Builder wasn't updated. It really was that hard to just mess with a couple of things, or create your own? I mean, with my stuff, 90-95% of the stuff I needed was still in the Character Builder, and only a few things needed to be created by me.
I guess I'm just amazed that people are *that* reliant on it. Its almost scary that people have come to rely on it needing to be up to date. I understand if you dont have the Character Builder at all, then 4e can look a little daunting to create. But we are talking about an Update, sure it has some juicy bits in it, but it can't encompass most of your PC group, can it? I mean literally your group is made up of all Muls, Thri-Kreens, Sorcerer-King pact Warlocks, Wild Battleminds, and possibly other things that are in the Psionic Power book?
Again, dissapointing, but not very hard to get around with just a little bit of time, literally 20-30 mins, which I still believe most people can find.
If the Character Builder has only had this problem twice in the span of two years, I find that *wonderful* customer service and honestly exceeds my expectations by a lot. I'm actually amazed people are complaining about it. Sure its unfortunate it happened right at the time everyone seemed to want to start a Dark Sun game, and that sucks, but man twice is awesome to me. Instead of demanding a refund, I would have thought most people would have loved the track record. I guess people are just sensitive because its around Dark Sun/Essentials time, or at least I hope that is the reason.
"Nine times seven, thought Shuman with deep satisfaction, is sixty-three, and I don't need a computer to tell me so. The computer is in my own head.
And it was amazing the feeling of power that gave him."
This just prompted me to recommend an excellent short story by Asimov, "The Feeling of Power".
Otterscrubber
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As long as I have access to the material that is out there, then I don't feel ripped off at all. I don't expect them to create new crap just for the sake of creating it. I do expect them to keep all info up to date though. However I would like to know if and how they plan to integrate the essentials info into both the character builder and the compendium. Are they making the changes to the races in the Essentials the official race erratta/update for 4e? or are these "essentials" races. I hope not, I don't really want an "essentials" human vs a 4e PHB human, that would seem lame.
The changes in the Essentials books apply to the "core" 4th Edition as well. This article discusses some of the changes and errata that will be added to the digital tools such as the Compendium and Character Builder -- consider it an interim "errata" document:
Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying Game Official Home Page - Article (Changes Coming in Essentials)
To answer your question, the "Essentials" races are the standard forms of those races going forward.
True_Blue
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I hope so..? I don't understand why someone wouldn't want this. For any other race it doesn't make sense. You wouldn't have an Essentials Dwarf and a Non-Essentials Dwarf because the only difference is that the Essentials Dwarf gets to choose between two attributes for their second stat.
But it *does* make sense to give the Human a choice on what they would like to do, gain an extra at-will or gain an encounter power that gives a +4 to one roll. I have no idea why someone *wouldn't* want to see that in there. If a fictional book came out called "Drow Power" which let me substitute a new power in the place of the Darkness power, I would want that in the Character Builder. Its just like choosing one class feature over another.
So I'm really not sure why you would not want that option? It does not make sense to me. Its literally swapping one racial power for another one.
P.S. Unless there's been more changes to the races than what I've seen?
I take it you missed the no update bit.
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