STARGATE UNIVERSE #9:Visitation/Season 2/2010

[Diamond Cross]

You know, there might be a small error.

How can the shuttle be completely shiny and new and last for ever, but the obelisk beings can't make a human body the same way?

I just don't buy it. Because these obelisk beings can make entire solar systems in entirely different galaxies.

 

[LightPhoenix]

There's a couple of ways of looking at it.

One, that the aliens can make physical things (bodies, shuttles, planets), but they can't make a soul. Without the soul, the body can not survive. It wasn't that they made the bodies imperfect; it was that they were missing an essential part.

Another way is that the aliens deliberately made them to die so they could say goodbye. They had to accept the consequences of their actions - they chose to stay and they died (twice!). Still, the Faith Aliens wanted to show them (and the Destiny crew) a mercy.

A third technobabble way was that they used some sort of pseudo-quantum-entanglement; their new bodies were linked to their old bodies through space and time. When one died, the other died.

The whole point of the episode (IMO) is that you're not supposed to know what happened. You're supposed to draw your own conclusions. Which is why I didn't like the Kino; it takes away from that.

 

[Crothian]

That's if you believe the kino. They can make solar systems, they can alter the kino images.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

They probably just have moral, ethical or utterly detatched reasons for making the humans with built-in expiration dates...ESPECIALLY since each died on Destiny the ways they died on the planet.

As for mercy, I'm not sure it was: death via BFT from the same tree accident seems a mite cruel, from a human perspective. And speaking from experience, hypothermia is no joke either.

 

[wolff96]

I really enjoyed this episode. Mainly for the wishful thinking that we'll soon be rid of Chloe, but still...

Really, though, I liked the issues of faith involved. As LightPhoenix notes, I think the inclusion of the Kino lessened the impact somewhat, but it was still quite cool. I think it's also rather telling that the baby was NOT among those returned. Think we might see that child again? I kind of do...

One thing I *really* liked from this episode was the visual effects. The planet was more washed out and less vibrant by flashback. The scientists LOOKED tired after a few days -- kind of a visual cue that something was wrong. And I loved the 'new' shuttle. It's shining metal and good paint job contrasted beautifully with the old rust-bucket look of Destiny.

I think they've made some big missteps this season, but this episode wasn't one of them. I did dislike ONE thing, though... no mention of Ginn? At all? She was murdered recently and they didn't even mention her when Eli was talking? He's *immediately* back to pining after Chloe and trying to get her to admit she has feelings for him on the Kino? Sigh... Refrigerator, ahoy!

 

[coyote6]

I think there's more to learn with Ginn. The producer said in his blog, in response to a question about how sad what happened to Ginn was: "What happened to her? If you think you know, think again because this is science fiction, after all. Anything can happen. And will."

I'm certain CJ's baby is gone. Caine & co. didn't remember anything like CJ's vision. They never built cabins; they never got food planted; they didn't even keep the shuttle running. With no technology and no particular colony-founding skills, they starved and froze to death in a few months (was that a wry and very oblique shot at the self-chosen fate of BSG's crew?).

The aliens that built the planet apparently aren't very good at recreating humans, so there's no reason to assume they plucked an unborn kid out of her, kept it alive until it was a baby, and either deposited on some other planet & then lied to CJ about where they put it, or put it on Caine's planet and then made everyone there forget about it. She got shot, and lost the baby.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

The aliens that built the planet apparently aren't very good at recreating humans

I disagree. Their replicants died in order in the very specific ways of their original deaths- that HAS to be intentional.

 

[jcayer]

Not to be gross, but if she lost the baby, there should be remains. How is it that is never mentioned? That would answer a lot of questions.

 

[wolff96]

I think there's more to learn with Ginn. The producer said in his blog, in response to a question about how sad what happened to Ginn was: "What happened to her? If you think you know, think again because this is science fiction, after all. Anything can happen. And will."

Now that's just a horrible decision waiting to happen.

As much as I disagree with the decision to kill off Ginn and the Doctor, have them STAY DEAD. Science fiction or not, that's THE most shocking thing that could happen. Don't bring them back in some hokey manner and kill off the character development... GAH.

I like the show, I like the premise, and I even like some of their decisions, but having magical reset buttons and bringing people back from the dead is pretty much ALWAYS a bad decision.

 

[coyote6]

Eh, they were told that Amanda Perry was dead, which doesn't explicitly mean that Ginn-in-Amanda's body was dead.

More likely than resurrection or SGC lying about Perry/Ginn's exact condition is that Eli will sooner or later be affected by the ship (via the chair, as with Rush, or some other means, as with Young), and have his own hallucinations. Who is Eli going to see as helpful psychopomp? His mom? Nah. Probably not a living & active crew member either, which cuts Chloe out (unless she gets killed). Ginn's the most obvious choice.

(Though having SGU hire Tricia Helfer just to play Eli's imaginary friend, dressed exactly like Six, would be flippin' hilarious, and appropriate for Eli.)