Is it time for 5E?

[Herschel]

You realize, of course that by discussing 5e so much you run the risk of encouraging WotC of publishing an actual 5e.

You realize, of course, this is exactly what a very loud minority of gamers want. They feel somehow "wronged" by WotC and will only be happy when those who enjoy the current edition of the game feel the same way and/or think somehow WotC will do a rewind and go back to what they want.

It's an internet tantrum, and it's in no way limited to RPGs. Sports and politics, for two easy examples, are generally FAR more combative. Fans of the very same team can't agree and many make it very known they don't.

 

[Diamond Cross]

So your contention is that this constant bringing up of 5e discussions is by people of 3e in order to create a schism between 4e and 5e?

 

[Herschel]

Sort of. Some 3E people are mad WotC "ruined" their game. They're so bitter they want WotC to "ruin" the game for the people who like 4E and get them mad at WotC too. Some even think that if they "scream" loud and long enough, WotC may go back to doing things in a way they like. It's delusions of grandeur that if WotC doesn't do what they want, they will "ruin" WotC.

It happened with Chainmail, OD&D, etc. too, there just wasn't the internet and the Anonymous Keyboard Commando Empowerment Complex.

There's also an impatient portion of teh gaming population that is always clammoring for teh next thing. It happened in minis when as soon as the set list was known there was a couple of days of banter, then speculation/endless chatter about what would be in the next set. And this was often before the current set even hit the "street".

 

[BryonD]

You realize, of course, this is exactly what a very loud minority of gamers want.

Since we keep getting asked to prove every assessment as absolute quantified fact, can you demonstrate your claim of "minority"?

They feel somehow "wronged" by WotC and will only be happy when those who enjoy the current edition of the game feel the same way and/or think somehow WotC will do a rewind and go back to what they want.

Meh, WotC hasn't wronged me in any way. So obviously your hyper-generalization doesn't accurately describe the circumstance. Certainly there are some that express such, but, IMO, that is a very small minority of the broader and significant "4e isn't good enough" crowd. It may make you feel better to try to paint everyone with one brush, but it doesn't make it accurate.

 

[Herschel]

And yet you insult 4E and its players in your signature. You've toned it down quite a bit but it's still there.

 

[Shazman]

If you take a statement that accurately explains how some the "maigic" of D&D has been lost in the transition to 4E as an "insult" maybe you are just looking to be insulted. It's not an insult just a good way of stating a certain point of view. It's also a statement that is hard to argue with. The good stories and great RPG sessions are never about balanced encounters but about being heroic and pulling off daring deeds you should not expect to be able to accomplish. Maybe you are a bit upset because you see the truth in this statement? It is very difficult to get that type of experience from 4E. 4E encounters are either balanced and boring or an excercise in frustration.

 

[Imaro]

And yet you insult 4E and its players in your signature. You've toned it down quite a bit but it's still there.

Waitaminute... you're saying his sig insults an inanimate game... and the people who play it... ... huh?

 

[Herschel]

It's pretty ironic that I'm accused of painting people in to a group when I say there's a minority of and some posters paint themselves in to that group quite efficiently.

 

[delericho]

You realize, of course that by discussing 5e so much you run the risk of encouraging WotC of publishing an actual 5e.

Discussing 5e does no such thing. WotC will release 5e at the point when they think it makes commercial sense for them to do so, based either on the real sales figures of 4e products (info we don't have access to, but they most certainly do), or due to real customer feedback (and not the discussions of a random, tiny, and self-selecting group of message board members).

I discuss 5e because I'm interesting in the topic. Period. Just as I discussed 4e for several years before it was released, and just as I'll discuss 6e, probably starting a few months before 5e is released (once the shape of 5e is known in broad strokes, if not in detail).

If you don't want to discuss the topic, you don't have to.

(Edit: that said, this thread seems to have run its course. Guess we'll have to wait a few weeks for the next one. )

 

[Herschel]

WotC will release 5e at the point when they think it makes commercial sense for them to do so,

Very true.

I discuss 5e because I'm interesting in the topic. Period.

And I'd venture a strong guess you're actually in the majority, albeit impatient for upcoming stuff news, like me, just for 4E-compatible goodies.