Converting Creatures from Other Campaign Settings

[Shade]

I'm tempted to boost Dex to 13 so we can follow this progression...

Large = Flyby Attack
Huge = Dodge, Flyby Attack, Mobility
Gargantuan = Dodge, Flyby Attack, Improved Flyby Attack, Lightning Reflexes, Mobility
Colossal = Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Epic Reflexes, Epic Will, Flyby Attack, Improved Flyby Attack, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Mobility

 

[freyar]

Good idea! Do that.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

A fly speed of 20 ft. is awfully slow for an incorporeal undead. I'd like to boost it to 30 ft., like an allip, at the very least.

We should probably change the treasure to "None", since the corporeal version's is based upon incidental treasure within its mass.

 

[Cleon]

I'm tempted to boost Dex to 13 so we can follow this progression...

Large = Flyby Attack
Huge = Dodge, Flyby Attack, Mobility
Gargantuan = Dodge, Flyby Attack, Improved Flyby Attack, Lightning Reflexes, Mobility
Colossal = Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Epic Reflexes, Epic Will, Flyby Attack, Improved Flyby Attack, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Mobility

Works for me.

 

[Cleon]

Updated.

A fly speed of 20 ft. is awfully slow for an incorporeal undead. I'd like to boost it to 30 ft., like an allip, at the very least.

I'd rather keep it awfully slow, partly to keep it different and partly to match the original and the corporeal version.

Maybe having so many spectral fragments wanting to go in conflicting directions slows it down?

We should probably change the treasure to "None", since the corporeal version's is based upon incidental treasure within its mass.

Didn't I already suggest that, or was I just thinking about it and didn't post the proposal?

 

[Shade]

I'd rather keep it awfully slow, partly to keep it different and partly to match the original and the corporeal version.

Maybe having so many spectral fragments wanting to go in conflicting directions slows it down?

I can live with it.

Didn't I already suggest that, or was I just thinking about it and didn't post the proposal?

Dunno, but the important thing is that we agree.

Updated.

Anything left? Does the CR need any adjustment?

 

[Cleon]

I can live with it.

Dunno, but the important thing is that we agree.

Yes, incredible isn't it.

Updated.

Anything left? Does the CR need any adjustment?

The Colossal version has 23 feats when it should have 22. Cut out Blind-Fight?

The Immobilizing Terror still has the dreaded "DC X Will save", may I suggest "Will save (same DC as frightful terror)" instead?

I would also suggest starting the background text "An incorporeal lost soul is an amalgamation of spectral beings in a single entity" instead of "A lost soul".

We don't have any explanation for their profane bonus to AC, I would add "Incorporeal lost souls have a profane bonus to their armor class equal to their fast healing." under Combat.

As for the CR, incorporeal creatures are a bigger challenge to low-level opponents so I'd give the Medium, Large and possibly the Huge versions +1 CR:

Medium: CR 4
Large: CR 6
Huge: CR 10?

 

[freyar]

Those last suggested changes sound right to me also.

I think I prefer a fly speed of 30 ft, which is still fairly slow. Not a big deal to me either way, however.

 

[Cleon]

Those last suggested changes sound right to me also.

Where do you stand on the Huge CR question - CR 9 or +1 for CR 10?

I'm still a bit undecided.

I think I prefer a fly speed of 30 ft, which is still fairly slow. Not a big deal to me either way, however.

I still prefer 20 ft.

 

[freyar]

I'd probably still go with CR 10 on the Huge version.