Dark Creature Hide in Plain Sight

[iamtheend]

Alright thanks. This has been really helpful.

Only things left on my mind are that with concealment and completes his hide successfully he is entitled to a sneak attack on his first attack but for his others he would need do another hide check at -20 before each attack?

 

[Jimlock]

1-If people are observing you, even casually, you can’t hide.

2-Use the Hide skill even while being observed

1-You can't do it. No penalties involved...You simply can't. EXCEPTION:If your observers are momentarily distracted.... hiding place... -10 etc...

2-You CAN hide while observed. No penalties involved with being observed. You simply can.

 

[Jimlock]

Any insight on how Shadow Blend would work?

Remind me... where is it?

 

[iamtheend]

"Shadow Blend (Su): In any conditions other than full daylight, a 7th-level Dark Moon Disciple can disappear into the shadows, gaining total concealment.
Artificial light does not negate this ability, though a daylight spell does.
This benefit replaces the wholeness of body class feature that the standard monk gains at 7th level."

That is from the web enhancement of Champions of Valor.

"Shadow Blend (Su): In any conditions other than full daylight, a shadow creature can disappear into the shadows, giving it total concealment. Artificial illumination, even a light or continual flame spell, does not negate this ability, but a daylight spell will."

I was just reading this but I forgot what page and book but you can it this 2nd one from a +2 Level Adjustment from what I think is called Shadow Creature.

I don't know if I use it if I'm always 100% concealed as long as I'm in the darkness or I need to activate it at some point with a free action perhaps?

EDIT= Lords of Madness 168 has the details for the 2nd quote.

 

[Jimlock]

Alright thanks. This has been really helpful.

Only things left on my mind are that with concealment and completes his hide successfully he is entitled to a sneak attack on his first attack but for his others he would need do another hide check at -20 before each attack?

If he was effectively hidden prior to the attack he sneak attacks automatically, yes.

If he was not, that means he has to spend a move action (or combine it with regular movement) in order to Hide, which means no full round action for him.

Ok so... lets say he was effectively hidden. DURING his first attack he attempts to remain hidden (-20). If he succeeds, he remains hidden and can sneak attack with his second attack as well... same with 3rd...4th etc... and he can always attempt the -20 check with his last attack to remain hidden until his next turn.

Also this -20 does not stand ONLY when one wants to REMAIN hidden. One can begin hiding like that. Say he wasn't hidden prior to the attack, but he doesn't want to lose his full round action too...

So he makes his first attack and Hides with a -20 during the attack. If successful, he will have a chance to sneak attack with his second attack.

 

[Empirate]

Note that Darkvision doesn't come into this the way you seem to think, and neither does Darkvision interact in any way with the fact that HiPS may be (Ex) or (Su).

You need concealment or cover to hide, even with the (non-Shadowdancer version of the) HiPS ability. It may happen that you have concealment vs. a creature without darkvision, but no concealment vs. a creature with Darkvision - namely, in shadowy illumination or total natural darkness. So the question if the opponent has Darkvision or not only determines whether you can hide at all (without creating a diversion). Apart from that, Darkvision doesn't let you see hidden creatures anymore than normal vision.

 

[iamtheend]

Note that Darkvision doesn't come into this the way you seem to think, and neither does Darkvision interact in any way with the fact that HiPS may be (Ex) or (Su).

You need concealment or cover to hide, even with the (non-Shadowdancer version of the) HiPS ability. It may happen that you have concealment vs. a creature without darkvision, but no concealment vs. a creature with Darkvision - namely, in shadowy illumination or total natural darkness. So the question if the opponent has Darkvision or not only determines whether you can hide at all (without creating a diversion). Apart from that, Darkvision doesn't let you see hidden creatures anymore than normal vision.

The Dark Creature is only being able to HiPs because of darkness so I figured Dark vision would negate it just like Blind sense or something would work I guess.

 

[iamtheend]

I should mention my logic came from reading the rules in the Players Handbook about how Darkvision can negate shadowy area of concealment.

 

[Jimlock]

"Shadow Blend (Su): In any conditions other than full daylight, a 7th-level Dark Moon Disciple can disappear into the shadows, gaining total concealment.
Artificial light does not negate this ability, though a daylight spell does.
This benefit replaces the wholeness of body class feature that the standard monk gains at 7th level."


"Shadow Blend (Su): In any conditions other than full daylight, a shadow creature can disappear into the shadows, giving it total concealment. Artificial illumination, even a light or continual flame spell, does not negate this ability, but a daylight spell will." I don't know if I use it if I'm always 100% concealed as long as I'm in the darkness or I need to activate it at some point with a free action perhaps?.

For one this ability is completely irelevant to the Hide skill. So we forget all about how Hide works and all... move actions etc... etc...

This is an Su, which means it requires a standard action to activate...

As for the rest...wait i want to anwser to empirate first...

 

[Empirate]

To reiterate: Darkvision does not grant you the ability to see hidden creatures. Instead, it grants you the ability to see normally in shadowy illumination and natural darkness.

This means: if the ambient lighting condition is the only thing giving you concealment, you cannot use the hide skill against a creature with Darkvision without creating a diversion first.

However, Darkvision doesn't 'counter' or 'dispel' the ability to hide, with or without HiPS. It just restricts the conditions under which you can do so. For example, if you have concealment from fog, or cover from a tree, or whatever, you can attempt to hide even from a creature with Darkvision, at no penalty.



If you have the Dark Creature template version of HiPS, you can hide while being observed, without creating a diversion. This is basically all that this version HiPS does for you: negating the need for diverting your observers' attention before hiding. All other rules for the Hide skill remain in effect as normal.

So Darkvision doesn't interact with the HiPS ability in any way. It merely interacts with how you use the Hide skill in certain circumstances.