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[mneme]

The bladesinger's spellbook only allows encounter powers to be used as dailies. The bladesinger doesn't ever get to prepare daily spells, so having daily spells in the spellbook is rather pointless.

It's the chart for 'Wizard spells per day' under 'Encounter as daily'. At no point are they given a slot for a daily spell.

This is true, but kinda crazy. (specifically, this is "Wizard Powers Prepared Per Day"). By the book, this would mean that you can't do power swaps with the the Bladesinger's dailies at all, as he doesn't have encounter or daily powers.

Basically, I don't think the Tome Trick should work (probably; if you maintain tomes as uncommon it's not that awful), but I do think that if you are willing to multiclass to another controller class and take a power swap feat to get a "real" daily power, that should totally work.

 

[DracoSuave]

This is true, but kinda crazy. (specifically, this is "Wizard Powers Prepared Per Day"). By the book, this would mean that you can't do power swaps with the the Bladesinger's dailies at all, as he doesn't have encounter or daily powers.

He certainly does have encounter powers. He uses them as dailies. An encounter swap would work just fine. He just is restricted to once-a-day use of them if they're occupying the class slots in his spellbook.

Basically, I don't think the Tome Trick should work (probably; if you maintain tomes as uncommon it's not that awful), but I do think that if you are willing to multiclass to another controller class and take a power swap feat to get a "real" daily power, that should totally work.

Multiclassing and post-essentials classes are a wtf already anyways. The bladesinger's no different from everything else.

 

[mneme]

Draco: That's the thing, though. For every purpose (except his own class feature), the Bladesinger has dailys, not encounter powers. If you reworded his "Wizard powers prepared per day" as "Dailies" instead of "Encounters as Dailies", he would work fine both as designed and when multiclassing (the Tome Trick would also work by the book, as it would get around how spells get into his spellbook, though). He has daily powers -- he just, by default, picks them from the wizard encounters spell list and they're dailies, not encounter powers for him.

 

[Ryujin]

That certainly seems to be the intent; that Wizard (Archanist) encounter powers be treated as Dailies, for the Bladesinger.

 

[Estlor]

It seems like you can view it as one of two things:

1. Bladesinger's don't have dailies. They have encounters that can only be used once per day.
2. Bladesinger's have dailies that just happen to be encounter powers for a normal wizard.

Option 1 would poo-poo the tome trick, but open up Enlarge Spell.

Option 2 would poo-poo Enlarge Spell, but open up the tome trick.

Personally, I think the distinction of "Encounters as Dailies" exists solely to define which power list you pick from when adding spells to your spellbook under the normal methods. These spells are still dailies; they're just picked from the normal wizard encounter list. In every way they are treated like dailies, including them being unaffected by Enlarge Spell.

But, more importantly, D&D being the exception based game that it is, whether the items in the spell book are encounters AS dailies or dailies is irrelevant. The specific - the property of the tome - trumps the general - the bladesinger spellbook as normally presented - just as it trumps the general of the normal wizard spellbook by letting you have two more dailies than normal in it. Just like it would trump a Swordmage with a spellbook not normally having wizard dailies in his spellbook. Should you lose/sell/destroy the tome at any point, you lose those spells (since they're a property of the tome), reverting you back to the general.

Personally, it makes sense to me. A bladesinger can only perform a daily of a normal wizard's magnitude if they carry an uncommon magic item imbued with the knowledge of the spell. And it isn't terribly overpowered since you're still limited to 3 dailies a day and you're stuck with whatever dailies were in the tome at the time you obtained it, unless you want to spend a bunch of money to buy new ones. Arcane Power only has four such tomes in it; two that give you fire dailies, one that gives you cold dailies, and one that gives you summon dailies. Adventurer's Vault adds 2 more: one for lightning and one for force. So the really good wizard dailies that enchantment/illusion Mages toss around stay out of your grasp.

 

[Mengu]

Now I want to make a tomb wizard (to go with my halfling rouge) lugging around a giant tomb stone. I better be genasi so I can have the strength to carry it around. Best be female, since I'll undoubted have the reputation of a tomb raider, as I search for more +'s for my tomb stone implement. Coincidentally, more +'s (those are Cross's for those less observant) are rather thematic at tombs.

 

[Ryujin]

It seems like you can view it as one of two things:

1. Bladesinger's don't have dailies. They have encounters that can only be used once per day.
2. Bladesinger's have dailies that just happen to be encounter powers for a normal wizard.

Option 1 would poo-poo the tome trick, but open up Enlarge Spell.

Option 2 would poo-poo Enlarge Spell, but open up the tome trick.

Personally, I think the distinction of "Encounters as Dailies" exists solely to define which power list you pick from when adding spells to your spellbook under the normal methods. These spells are still dailies; they're just picked from the normal wizard encounter list. In every way they are treated like dailies, including them being unaffected by Enlarge Spell.

But, more importantly, D&D being the exception based game that it is, whether the items in the spell book are encounters AS dailies or dailies is irrelevant. The specific - the property of the tome - trumps the general - the bladesinger spellbook as normally presented - just as it trumps the general of the normal wizard spellbook by letting you have two more dailies than normal in it. Just like it would trump a Swordmage with a spellbook not normally having wizard dailies in his spellbook. Should you lose/sell/destroy the tome at any point, you lose those spells (since they're a property of the tome), reverting you back to the general.

Personally, it makes sense to me. A bladesinger can only perform a daily of a normal wizard's magnitude if they carry an uncommon magic item imbued with the knowledge of the spell. And it isn't terribly overpowered since you're still limited to 3 dailies a day and you're stuck with whatever dailies were in the tome at the time you obtained it, unless you want to spend a bunch of money to buy new ones. Arcane Power only has four such tomes in it; two that give you fire dailies, one that gives you cold dailies, and one that gives you summon dailies. Adventurer's Vault adds 2 more: one for lightning and one for force. So the really good wizard dailies that enchantment/illusion Mages toss around stay out of your grasp.

I think that it's even more simple than that. Edit all of the Wizard power cards so that they say "Daily", rather than "Encounter", then print them on a black & white printer. They aren't encounter powers, when a Bladesinger uses them. They're dailies. The word "encounter" doesn't enter into it, at all, when you're a Bladesinger.