Moment of Glory

[DracoSuave]

If you look at Heroic Tier magic items that grant DR 5, they give 1 PC 1 round of DR 5 as a Daily power. Giving the whole party DR 5 for 5 minutes at Level 1 is just completely ridiculous. It would still be overpowered as a 5th level Daily. Horrible spell.

Comparing magic item dailies to player character dailies is absolute failure. The power balancing is completely different.

 

[S'mon]

Comparing magic item dailies to player character dailies is absolute failure. The power balancing is completely different.

Failing to comprehend S'mon's wise posts is absolute failure.

 

[DracoSuave]

Failing to comprehend S'mon's wise posts is absolute failure.

Giving someone DR 5 for a single round would make for a -terrible- daily power for a leader. That'd be closer to an encounter power in terms of potency.... which is right about where a daily power on a magic item is supposed to be.

I get what you're trying to say... but magic items are an absolutely bad tack to approach player power issues from, unless 'This cleric daily is so weak I wouldn't even like it as an item daily.'

Now, giving ONE player DR 5 for an encounter... that's not a bad low level daily. Balanced, swingy, but not going to win combats singlehandedly.

 

[Mengu]

It's not a moment of glory, it's an encounter of glory. You get to ignore most any heroic level ongoing damage (usually 5), aura damage (usually around 5), and minion damage (5-8). It is most certainly a "We win" button. Even if the cleric is dazed for an entire encounter (which I've seen once), and all he does is sustain, it's still enough to win the encounter.

By mid-paragon it's less problematic since the contribution of resist 5 is less relevant, but it's still a solid power. Ideally I'd like to see it changed to something like resist equal to 2+Wis until end of next turn, with no sustain. This would still have significant enough impact, and be more on par with other level 1 daily powers, and would scale reasonably.

 

[S'mon]

It's not a moment of glory, it's an encounter of glory. You get to ignore most any heroic level ongoing damage (usually 5), aura damage (usually around 5), and minion damage (5-8). It is most certainly a "We win" button. Even if the cleric is dazed for an entire encounter (which I've seen once), and all he does is sustain, it's still enough to win the encounter.

By mid-paragon it's less problematic since the contribution of resist 5 is less relevant, but it's still a solid power. Ideally I'd like to see it changed to something like resist equal to 2+Wis until end of next turn, with no sustain. This would still have significant enough impact, and be more on par with other level 1 daily powers, and would scale reasonably.

Agree strongly.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Sorry, I'm not buying it. Do you know of a lot of low Heroic monsters that Daze, Stun, Dominate, or knock unconscious?

DM-designed monsters (eg NPC wizards).

One of my PCs has this. I've only seen it used once, so I have little insight.

 

[Kinneus]

Ideally I'd like to see it changed to something like resist equal to 2+Wis until end of next turn, with no sustain. This would still have significant enough impact, and be more on par with other level 1 daily powers, and would scale reasonably.

I fail to see how this would fix anything. A Wis-based Cleric is going to have at least an 18 in Wisdom, which would make his level 1 Moment of Glory do Resist 6. And then it will scale into Paragon, whereas it currently doesn't. You're just making the power stronger- and shutting it out as an option of Strength-based Clerics. Kind of a terrible "fix", dude.

 

[Mengu]

I fail to see how this would fix anything. A Wis-based Cleric is going to have at least an 18 in Wisdom, which would make his level 1 Moment of Glory do Resist 6. And then it will scale into Paragon, whereas it currently doesn't. You're just making the power stronger- and shutting it out as an option of Strength-based Clerics. Kind of a terrible "fix", dude.

1. I am removing sustain. That's the big problem. But since unscaling resist 5 for a round may not be so desirable, I have to give it something, therefore, it gets a scaling bump in the amount of resistance.

2. It's already a wisdom based power. But even for Str/Wis clerics without a super high Wisdom, it will remain an option.

 

[Kinneus]

Completely missed the "until end of your next turn" part of your post. My bad.

Hmm. No comment. I haven't seen Moment of Glory in action, but I do know it's now widely considered the best Level 1 Cleric Daily on the CharacterOp boards, which is always a red flag. On the other hand, your fix is a huge nerf, and honestly, Clerics have swallowed enough huge nerfs as of late.

All I can tell you is that if Moment of Glory was "until end of your next turn", I would never personally take it. But then again, I have a strong preference for "until the end of the encounter" effects on my Dailies.

So, yeah. My mistake. No comment.

 

[jimmifett]

How I deal with MoG:
DM: "Is that the end of your turn?"
P1: "yes."
DM: "P2, you're up, btw the resist 5 is gone"
P1: "wait, I sustain minor!"
DM: "I asked if that was the end of your turn and you said yes, no sustain"

I don't let players sprinkle in damage after thier turns end from stuff they forgot, unless it was attatched to a feat or something. I hold the same to my monsters, if I forgot to do X, the players benefit. If a player can't say at least "Sustain minor" before end of turn, they lose it.

Of, course, i'm playing a psychological game by asking if they end thier turn, hoping that in the rush, they forget that small detail.