Welverin
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The problem there is that Loeb's lost it.
p.s. I realize I've missed somethings and forgotten others (somehow), as far as deaths are concerned.
The New Ultimate Spider-Man
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The problem there is that Loeb's lost it.
p.s. I realize I've missed somethings and forgotten others (somehow), as far as deaths are concerned.
Deuce Traveler
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I don't read comic books anymore because of retcons like this. They often don't seem natural, but instead seem forced as if short term sales make character development take a back seat. I stopped reading Green Lantern once they got rid of Kyle Raynor as the main character and brought back Hal Jordan. I actually liked what they did with Hal Jordan and was willing to read The Specter for the first time with Hal Jordan being the protagonist. I was interested enough in the new character to purchase the new Green Lantern. I felt that moving on brought depth to the comic titles, even if it meant altering the main character because he had matured past further development in the current story arc.
But sometimes it feels as if they just try to recycle the characters without any character development. Bringing back Hal Jordan and putting Kyle Raynor into the background for instance.
I stopped purchasing Punisher once they made him into a servant of Heaven and reduced his age to that of someone in his 20s.
Maybe I'm being unfair, but I don't think comics are doing well, and the latest moves by DC and Marvel seem desperate. I worry that trying to be 'edgy' to bring in sales matter more than writing good stories. It's ironic that print comics are suffering at the same time that movies are doing quite well.
I stopped purchasing Spider-Man after One More Day, even though I loved what they did to the character up until Aunt May was shot and he had an 'edgy' fight with King Pin and donned his black costume again. Then One More Day happened and I can't ever go back. If Peter Parker was living with his new identity exposed and having to adjust to life because of it, I would have kept buying the comic. If Marvel felt he had gotten too old, for the younger crowd, it was ok because he was aging with me. I have a wife and kids now, and I identified with Peter Parker maturing.
Somewhere out there, there is a Peter Parker that has his identity known to the world but serves society professionally as a scientist and teacher. He has an Aunt May that is accepting of him, despite her initial fear of Spider-Man. Flash and Black Cat are a couple, and closer to him despite their conflicted and emotional younger days. He has a daughter named May, and had to fight the Green Goblin in a climatic battle to get her back. Life is no less complicated, and he makes mistakes, but he is still an inspiration.
But sometimes it feels as if they just try to recycle the characters without any character development. Bringing back Hal Jordan and putting Kyle Raynor into the background for instance.
I stopped purchasing Punisher once they made him into a servant of Heaven and reduced his age to that of someone in his 20s.
Maybe I'm being unfair, but I don't think comics are doing well, and the latest moves by DC and Marvel seem desperate. I worry that trying to be 'edgy' to bring in sales matter more than writing good stories. It's ironic that print comics are suffering at the same time that movies are doing quite well.
I stopped purchasing Spider-Man after One More Day, even though I loved what they did to the character up until Aunt May was shot and he had an 'edgy' fight with King Pin and donned his black costume again. Then One More Day happened and I can't ever go back. If Peter Parker was living with his new identity exposed and having to adjust to life because of it, I would have kept buying the comic. If Marvel felt he had gotten too old, for the younger crowd, it was ok because he was aging with me. I have a wife and kids now, and I identified with Peter Parker maturing.
Somewhere out there, there is a Peter Parker that has his identity known to the world but serves society professionally as a scientist and teacher. He has an Aunt May that is accepting of him, despite her initial fear of Spider-Man. Flash and Black Cat are a couple, and closer to him despite their conflicted and emotional younger days. He has a daughter named May, and had to fight the Green Goblin in a climatic battle to get her back. Life is no less complicated, and he makes mistakes, but he is still an inspiration.
Plane Sailing
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In that alternate universe I'm still reading Spider Man comics!
Relique du Madde
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It's not really a retcon.
Ultimate Spiderman takes place on an alternate earth. Spiderman on that earth just died. This new kid who somehow has same or similar powers to the previous spider-man decided to take his mantle A WEEK (or so) after he was buried.
Good thing, because you probably wouldn't like how he recently was killed and turned into Franken-stein Punisher.
Blame Quesada for that.. he wanted Spiderman to bang girls left and right and act like a superstud and came up with Aunt May getting shot and Mary Jane selling her soul to reboot reality just as an excuse (You know since Peter Parker was total sane after House of M and would gracefully accept a new layer of false memories added ontop of those ones). Besides, Spiderman saving Aunt May was stupid.. what is she 90? What is he going to do when she breaks her hip, goes to the hospital, and dies from a staph infection?
Seriously, why the Avengers didn't decide to put him down after BND is beyond me considering that they are so intent on giving the Scarlet Witch a dirt nap.
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Welverin
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Did Gwen Stacy have Norman Osborn's love children? If not, then I'm there!
Agamon
Adventurer
I'm one of those people that dislike what Peter David did to Green Lantern. Johns wouldn't have needed to retcon Jordan if David had respected the character more. The thing about GL is that the ring can be removed and another can wear it without driving the ex-GL crazy and turning him into a BBEG and killing him. (In fact, Johns just did that; Hal has no ring, but Sinestro does).
Spider-Man, though, is an individual with a freak powers, so, not only doesn't it sit well, it doesn't make much sense...granted I haven't read Fallout yet.
Spider-Man, though, is an individual with a freak powers, so, not only doesn't it sit well, it doesn't make much sense...granted I haven't read Fallout yet.
Deuce Traveler
Adventurer
And because we were talking about Spider-Man and Quesada, I thought I'd leave this link here:
Gutters - Issue #24 by Paul Southworth
Gutters - Issue #24 by Paul Southworth
Dyir
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Reminding me of One More Day actually does present an angle to this development I hadn't considered. When Ultimate Spider-man was first published, the Peter Parker in normal Marvel was married. But now that Joe Quesada has orchestrated it so that Original Peter is single again, Marvel doesn't need Ultimate Peter to carry the "single man" role any longer. I have no idea how much that might have played in the decision to kill Ultimate Peter, but it is a thought.
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