Understanding the Edition Wars (and other heated arguments)

If any Alien Intelligence finds our Internet message boards, they'll have to nuke us from orbit, just to make sure we don't infect the rest of the Cosmos.

Or maybe this is all Loki's doing...
I blame the dinosaurs. If they had just gotten off their lazy butts enough to learn science and then set up the industrial-economic complex enough to blow up that comet before it wiped them out, we'd still be mice. And the dinosaurs would have attained a utopian space-faring society by now...

Star Trek: the Prehistoric Generation!
 

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I can't quite decide whether this a mistake or an ironic attempt to mirror some of the issues raised in the linked article!

It looks as if you have jumped to the attack were mmadsen hasn't set up a 'them and us' situation at all - he is even referring to himself/us/we, not them.

So I'm going to assume that there was a bit of a mistake, and ask you to make sure that we don't get an argument here by getting personal, OK?

No, I think Celebrim has a point. It looked to me like mmadsen was making a fundamental attribution error to me as well by portraying the most vociferous debaters as being part for a team out to destroy the enemy. That suggests attribute of character rather than understanding of situation or circumstance.

This doesn't mean I think mmadsen was intending to do so, rather that I think Celebrim was justified in pointing out the irony.
 

This is all well and interesting but I think people gloss over the fact that people argue on the internet for entertainment. Not because they're emotional, illogical wrecks first. I don't doubt that some people are motivated in that way but as a child of the internet age, arguments are usually just to pass the time.

I'd be surprised if edition wars really represented peoples true feelings. How man edition warriors do you know off the internet? I can maybe count them on one hand and even then it's not that much of a problem for them.

That's where the "internet srs business" meme comes from because 99% of the time you're arguing with somebody who isn't even serious.

It breaks down when people loose sight of that.
 


The problem is calling it a War to begin with. Wars have a definite end. We Take this Land. We take this person, we kill thier leader.
As Umbran already noted, afaik that's absolutely _not_ the case. Wars breed wars. I wouldn't be surprised if the #1 reason for wars was a previous war (or more general a previous 'conflict').

Of course, considering the topic of this thread this is probably just a totally unsubstantiable pet theory of mine ;)
 

As Umbran already noted, afaik that's absolutely _not_ the case. Wars breed wars. I wouldn't be surprised if the #1 reason for wars was a previous war (or more general a previous 'conflict').

Well, I've not done an actual tabulation on the history of conflict, but my sense of it is that you are correct. The vast majority of wars are due to the failure to bring the prior conflict to completion. In the vast majority of cases, a war never ends until one side is either annihilated via genocide or culturally or geneticly assimilated. The history of the world until recent times is one dang genocide after the other, and this is universally true regardless of the region of the world you are talking about whether its pre-modern Europe or the pre-Columbian new world. Tribes rise up, often with a unique language and culture, and they destroy other tribes in a way that Conan would approve of, so that that the defeated tribe's name disappears from history. Then they try to hold on while some other tribe tries to extinguish them.

We get the idea that wars have definate purposes, beginnings, and ends from the Westphalian legal system. War in the West, at least for the last few centuries, has been a legally defined concept. Much of the characteristics of the modern nation state are suppposed to ensure that wars have limited objectives and don't have the normal genocidal character wars tend to have. But even under the Westphalian system, the leading cause of war is failure to bring the prior conflict to completion. WWII was caused by WWI. The second Gulf War was caused by the first. And in all likelihood there will be a second Korean War that was caused by the failure to finish the first. In fact, legally, the first Korean War has never ended and people continue to die in it decade after decade, which is more the normal case of war in history.

Personally, I don't pay enough attention to the name appearing on the left side of the screen to be able to hold a grudge. It's not so much that I'm not the sort to hold a grudge; it's just that it's rare that I notice that its the same person disagreeing with me as before, or that another poster and myself tend to agree. However, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the leading causes of arguments on the boards is failure for the two parties to reach a mutual respectful understanding. To me, agreeing to disagree is just about the optimal conclusion of a thread. If you can reach a point where you understand why the other side believes as they do, and you reach a point where the two sides are willing to accept that, you've just about as much 'won' an internet argument as it is possible to do. Most internet arguments begin IMO because the two sides simply can't imagine why the other side is saying what it is saying.
 
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Well I suppose its a small comfort to know that when we are all blathering about nothing like idiots that we are genetically disposed to doing so.:p

Standard reply to all accusations of edition warring:

MY GENES MADE ME DO IT!!! :lol:
 


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