Understanding the Edition Wars (and other heated arguments)

Interesting article. Following through:
#5 - When I was in parochial school the Jebs used disputation as a learning technique, asking the students to either dispute or defend a theory made the lesson stick around better. So, I largely agree with this point.

Also, we are trouping primates, and form 'gangs', a theory that can be used to explain much of human behavior, from team sports to the party system in politics.

#4 - The article leaves out 'Availability Heuristics' - that the guy shooting a burglar in his home is more likely to get media exposure than the guy who's six year old daughter just shot her mom because she was playing with an unsecured gun. If the new coverage makes the one seem more likely then your observations have been skewed.

Or in other words, just because 'Man Bites Dog' is news it does not mean that men bite dogs more often than the other way around.

And some folks are more likely to look at probability more dispassionately than others.

#3 - I'm a Dungeon Master, of course they are planning to thwart my plans.... If they weren't then it wouldn't be fun....

#2 - This is one where I don't trust me. I try to watch myself for double standards, and to acknowledge them when I find that I have them. I do not always succeed.

#1 - Back to the disputation I mentioned in #5 - the Jebs would then have us switch sides.... Do not become too attached to your argument.

As a result I try to separate fact and personal preference. I like Pathfinder and do not like 4e, but I generally try not to claim that Pathfinder is a better game, merely that it fits my wants much more than 4e. For me it is a better game, for others... well, they're wrong not so much. Their experiences are not my experiences, but I don't generally think that they are making things up. Except maybe that golf-bag of weapons thing.... (I have never encountered it, nor has anyone that I know. Therefor it must not exist.... :p )

I get tripped up when folks try to change a debate into a polemic. If someone pulls out an argument that in my experience is not true then I tend to call people on it. Sadly I am less likely to notice this in an argument/polemic that supports my stance, though there is at least one Pathfinder supporter that makes me grit my teeth.... Strawman arguments bother me on either side.

The Auld Grump
 

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So Lovecraft was right all along? :.-(

Pretty much so. Libet showed that our brains take decisions before we're consciously aware of doing so - making much of our experience a video playback. Worse still, the video gets filtered, so what we've actually decided to do and what we recall of it don't match - at all . . . it gets so much worse from there on.

Over thousands of years we've used systems ranging from dharma to modern psychology to train ourselves to step back and try to bring thought into action - unfortunately were still mainly a bit crap at it.
 


Pretty close - JEsuit Brother(s) :) I think that parochial school students are the only folks who use that term.

My Comparative Religion teacher was the one that got me into wargaming and then role playing. In the basement of the U/U church. (I miss the seventies, sometimes.)

Worse, he gave me access to the Roneograph.... I love the smell of mimeograph in the morning.... It's the smell of nerdery.

The Auld Grump
 

Pretty close - JEsuit Brother(s)
Pretty much what I thought!

I had to deal with a lot of Nuns & Monks growing up. No Jesuits that I can remember, but lots of Dominicans & hordes of Cistercians.

... I love the smell of mimeograph in the morning.... It's the smell of nerdery.

Ha ha ha!

For me, it's the smell of education: all 4 of my grandparents- and my Mom- were educators, so as a child, I got to smell a LOT of mimeographs being made.

Good times.
 

Pretty much what I thought!

I had to deal with a lot of Nuns & Monks growing up. No Jesuits that I can remember, but lots of Dominicans & hordes of Cistercians.



Ha ha ha!

For me, it's the smell of education: all 4 of my grandparents- and my Mom- were educators, so as a child, I got to smell a LOT of mimeographs being made.

Good times.
*Shudder* The Dominicans....

One of the great things about the Jebs - you typically got a better grade by disagreeing with them and defending your position. They wanted thought, not rote.

And, I swear, when I was a kid the head of the Jesuit Order sounded like a character from a James Bond novel - golden gloves boxing, Greek wrestling, ambidextrous fencing, a slew of languages, and enough doctorates to choke Mensa....

The Auld Grump
 

One of the great things about the Jebs - you typically got a better grade by disagreeing with them and defending your position. They wanted thought, not rote.

The Cistercians are a bit like that, too, but with less tolerance for disagreement.;)

And, I swear, when I was a kid the head of the Jesuit Order sounded like a character from a James Bond novel - golden gloves boxing, Greek wrestling, ambidextrous fencing, a slew of languages, and enough doctorates to choke Mensa....

Yeah- a lot of skills learned by the Cistercians, too. I don't know any who knows fewer than 3 languages, and I know a lot with 7+. Then there are the sculptors, musicians, and so forth among them.

But besides the teachin' and the prayin', you gotta do SOMETHING with your day to feel productive.
 


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