Glancing Blow Looks Like A Miss

[Jester David]

The advantage is you don't need to declare it before hand and you likely have your CS dice anyway. If you roll that 10 or 11 and it's a miss, it's nice to have that auto-damage. But, if you hit with the 10, you just deal Deadly Strike damage. Either way you can deal damage. If you roll a 9... well, you can still parry.

 

[Stormonu]

Just something to mull over, though it makes it more complex...

What if you need to roll at least 11 - level?

1st - 10+
2nd - 9+
3rd - 8+
4th - 7+
etc.

If you can only expend one CS die, it's not so bad.

 

[Jeff Carlsen]

Mechanically, it should be based on the target's AC, but that requires the player knowing the target's AC. So, lowering the threshold seems to be the better option.

In addition, I think it should be renamed to something like "Pommel Strike," and be described as having failed to hit with the intended weapon, but still hit with a lesser strike, such as with the the weapon's pommel or your armored elbow. The damage type should be bludgeoning, and it should only work with melee attacks.

 

[braro]

So here is a thing I need some group think on.

I made this fighter:

Level 1 Human Fighter (Slayer)
STR: 18 DEX: 14 CON: 15 INT: 11 WIS: 13 CHA: 9
HP: 17 AC: 15 Speed 6 Initiative +2
Glaive, +7, 1d10+4 Throwing Axe, +7, 1d6+4
Expertise Dice: 1d6 Hit Dice 1d10 + 2
Deadly Strike (ED Damage); Glancing Blow (ED on 10+ Miss); Parry (ED damage reduction)
Survivor: Feat Toughness; Trait Bounty Board; Intimidate: +2; Survival: +4; Natural Lore: +3

His strength is derived from 15 (base) +2 (human) +1 (fighter).

His 10+ on the dice would be a minimum 17.

I cannot find anything in the bestiary that he can't hit on a 10 (The Dark Acolyte has a 17, and it seems the highest).

I don't think I am missing something, but it makes Glancing Blow useless.

 

[Chris_Nightwing]

I think they added the 10+ rule when it was still Reaper, then rolled it neatly into a Fighting Style, but forgot to adjust for other changes.

I like either the idea of:
Adding your CS dice to your attack roll and dealing half damage, or
Adding 5 to your attack roll but just dealing CS dice damage.

 

[FireLance]

Just something to mull over, though it makes it more complex...

What if you need to roll at least 11 - level?

1st - 10+
2nd - 9+
3rd - 8+
4th - 7+
etc.

If you can only expend one CS die, it's not so bad.

I think 11 - level would scale too fast.

Another possibility would be for it to trigger off hitting a fixed AC. AC 10 is a nice round number, but the Str 16/17 dwarf fighter would only need a 4+ and the Str 18 human fighter would only need a 3+. Maybe AC 12 would be better probability-wise, allowing it to trigger on a roll of 6+ for the dwarf fighter and 5+ for the human fighter, and (slowly) going lower as attack bonus increases with level.

 

[FireLance]

I don't think I am missing something, but it makes Glancing Blow useless.

Yes.

That was my point in the first post.

 

[braro]

Yes.

That was my point in the first post.

Well, right; I was just using a concrete example to drive it home in my mind, but also toss it out there to see if someone else out there had seen something that countered/nulled it.

If it would work with disadvantage, that would at least be SOMETHING.

 

[Ferrous]

I think that something like:

Glancing blow : Use CS to reroll the attack roll. If this hits it deals half damage

would be less clunky and address many of the concerns.

 

[braro]

Why can't it just be straight "On a miss"?

Also, is there anything in a bestiary that can give AC boost?