gamerprinter
Mapper/Publisher
It would be just a product announcement, like any other, how is that SPAM? RPG product announcements are condoned are they not?
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It would be just a product announcement, like any other, how is that SPAM? RPG product announcements are condoned are they not?
I have about 18 various podcasts on rotation and they basically say, "Hey this game is on Kickstarter" and then start talking about it like they talk about any other game released by a big company, their cousin, or that they randomly found in a store. Guess it depends on the podcast leaders more than anything.
gamerprinter
Mapper/Publisher
Yeah, I see/hear it that way too. I don't get all the Kickstarter vitriol.
There's also IndieGoGo, and various in-house patronage systems like Open Design and Rite Publishing's in-house system. These are all patronage systems, exactly like Kickstarter - you never hear, anti-Open Design comments on the boards (though there shouldn't be, of course, likewise there shouldn't be similar Kickstarter antipathy, either.)
Well even though I have run 2 Kickstarters I do get the vitriol as it does indeed become tiresome on both ends of the communication stream. But speaking towards podcasts ONLY I haven't had issues.
gamerprinter
Mapper/Publisher
Well, I've run one Kickstarter, and one in-house Rite Publishing patronage, as well as 10 'out of pocket' RPG releases - it's all the same to me. I see KS as funding source only, otherwise having no other imposition to creating RPG products. I don't get the vitriol, at all.
One man's treasure another man's trash. That is just the way of the world.
Sadly self promotion will always follow these kinds of trends. They always have and they always will. It will find some kind of leveling at some point where it just...is. However, it is causing a huge change in everything, forums, podcasts, and so forth. For people who are very happy with the current way of things aren't going to love that.
gamerprinter
Mapper/Publisher
OK, let me rephrase that. No matter what method of promotion, for my products, anyway, I haven't witnessed any vitriol at all. Only seeing random KS vitriol in general, not to any specific product promotion.
The 'hate' seems pointed at Kickstarter only, not the projects being promoted.
Stormonu
Legend
To me, it's no more off-putting than someone talking about preordering a product.
"Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is available for pre-order now. Reserve your copy now!" (i.e., give us money)
"Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is on Kickstarter. Help us fund this project!" (i.e., give us money)
gamerprinter
Mapper/Publisher
Is it different than, "Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is available - order it today, so we can ship it today..." than pre-order - it's still a request for money. I'm saying it's all the same, pre-order/kickstarter/now available. All 3 is a request for money - either all of them are SPAM, or none of them are SPAM. Any of them are just a product endorsement. What's the difference? (I see no difference, nor do I consider any of those as SPAM.)
To me, the only type of promotion that's SPAM is a product not related to the board it's posted on - such as, "buy these discounted Nike shoes..." on ENWorld.
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KS vitriol is sadly very widespread across tons of forums. Most likely just due to the sheer overload of products that have threads in areas that long term people don't like to see fill up. Like I said, it will level out to something in the middle most likely. Many forums already have KS only forum sections which is a great idea.
Personally some of the things that worked wonders for me were banners. Kicktraq, and their staff, were amazing to work with. Made a banner for me, as I don't have that skill, and took care of it. Banners, ads seem less intrusive than a ton of forum posts. Even ones I myself have done.
To me at least, KS projects do feel different than a normal company. Can't tell you why. They just do.
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