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Karak

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I have about 18 various podcasts on rotation and they basically say, "Hey this game is on Kickstarter" and then start talking about it like they talk about any other game released by a big company, their cousin, or that they randomly found in a store. Guess it depends on the podcast leaders more than anything.
 

gamerprinter

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I have about 18 various podcasts on rotation and they basically say, "Hey this game is on Kickstarter" and then start talking about it like they talk about any other game released by a big company, their cousin, or that they randomly found in a store. Guess it depends on the podcast leaders more than anything.
Yeah, I see/hear it that way too. I don't get all the Kickstarter vitriol.

There's also IndieGoGo, and various in-house patronage systems like Open Design and Rite Publishing's in-house system. These are all patronage systems, exactly like Kickstarter - you never hear, anti-Open Design comments on the boards (though there shouldn't be, of course, likewise there shouldn't be similar Kickstarter antipathy, either.)
 

Karak

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Yeah, I see/hear it that way too. I don't get all the Kickstarter vitriol.

There's also IndieGoGo, and various in-house patronage systems like Open Design and Rite Publishing's in-house system. These are all patronage systems, exactly like Kickstarter - you never hear, anti-Open Design comments on the boards (though there shouldn't be, of course, likewise there shouldn't be similar Kickstarter antipathy, either.)
Well even though I have run 2 Kickstarters I do get the vitriol as it does indeed become tiresome on both ends of the communication stream. But speaking towards podcasts ONLY I haven't had issues.
 

gamerprinter

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Well even though I have run 2 Kickstarters I do get the vitriol as it does indeed become tiresome on both ends of the communication stream. But speaking towards podcasts ONLY I haven't had issues.
Well, I've run one Kickstarter, and one in-house Rite Publishing patronage, as well as 10 'out of pocket' RPG releases - it's all the same to me. I see KS as funding source only, otherwise having no other imposition to creating RPG products. I don't get the vitriol, at all.
 

Karak

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Well, I've run one Kickstarter, and one in-house Rite Publishing patronage, as well as 10 'out of pocket' RPG releases - it's all the same to me. I see KS as funding source only, otherwise having no other imposition to creating RPG products. I don't get the vitriol, at all.
One man's treasure another man's trash. That is just the way of the world.

Sadly self promotion will always follow these kinds of trends. They always have and they always will. It will find some kind of leveling at some point where it just...is. However, it is causing a huge change in everything, forums, podcasts, and so forth. For people who are very happy with the current way of things aren't going to love that.
 

gamerprinter

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One man's treasure another man's trash. That is just the way of the world.

Sadly self promotion will always follow these kinds of trends. They always have and they always will. It will find some kind of leveling at some point where it just...is. However, it is causing a huge change in everything, forums, podcasts, and so forth. For people who are very happy with the current way of things aren't going to love that.
OK, let me rephrase that. No matter what method of promotion, for my products, anyway, I haven't witnessed any vitriol at all. Only seeing random KS vitriol in general, not to any specific product promotion.

The 'hate' seems pointed at Kickstarter only, not the projects being promoted.
 

Stormonu

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I think the Spam aspect is part of the turn-off.

In the old bank loan model, hearing about a product did not mean "help us by giving us money"

In the KS model, everytime somebody uses the word KickStarter when talking about their product, its a request to give them money.
To me, it's no more off-putting than someone talking about preordering a product.

"Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is available for pre-order now. Reserve your copy now!" (i.e., give us money)

"Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is on Kickstarter. Help us fund this project!" (i.e., give us money)
 

gamerprinter

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"Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is on Kickstarter. Help us fund this project!" (i.e., give us money)
Is it different than, "Hey, Tomb of the Nine Kings is available - order it today, so we can ship it today..." than pre-order - it's still a request for money. I'm saying it's all the same, pre-order/kickstarter/now available. All 3 is a request for money - either all of them are SPAM, or none of them are SPAM. Any of them are just a product endorsement. What's the difference? (I see no difference, nor do I consider any of those as SPAM.)

To me, the only type of promotion that's SPAM is a product not related to the board it's posted on - such as, "buy these discounted Nike shoes..." on ENWorld.
 
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Karak

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OK, let me rephrase that. No matter what method of promotion, for my products, anyway, I haven't witnessed any vitriol at all. Only seeing random KS vitriol in general, not to any specific product promotion.

The 'hate' seems pointed at Kickstarter only, not the projects being promoted.
KS vitriol is sadly very widespread across tons of forums. Most likely just due to the sheer overload of products that have threads in areas that long term people don't like to see fill up. Like I said, it will level out to something in the middle most likely. Many forums already have KS only forum sections which is a great idea.

Personally some of the things that worked wonders for me were banners. Kicktraq, and their staff, were amazing to work with. Made a banner for me, as I don't have that skill, and took care of it. Banners, ads seem less intrusive than a ton of forum posts. Even ones I myself have done.

To me at least, KS projects do feel different than a normal company. Can't tell you why. They just do.
 

gamerprinter

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Personally some of the things that worked wonders for me were banners. Kicktraq, and their staff, were amazing to work with. Made a banner for me, as I don't have that skill, and took care of it. Banners, ads seem less intrusive than a ton of forum posts. Even ones I myself have done.
We did a banner campaign through Gamerati, I created the banners myself.
 

NPC-Aaron

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I think a lot of the KS hate is prominent now because we are sort of on the bubble. Right now Kickstarter is getting very saturated with RPG and Table Top products, many of dubious or even poor quality, because this new source of funding allows everyone with an idea and a little time on their hands to apply for some funding.

This isn't a bad thing though. Eventually the bubble will burst and the good designers will rise to the top, while those without the vision or work ethic to put out a great product will fall by the wayside. Eventually Kickstarter will largely be good products and its existence means we get to see a lot of projects that we might not see otherwise (James Wallis' Alas Vegas for instance).

On my podcast I often talk about kickstarter games, but I didn't stop talking about games released other ways either, so I'm not sure if any listeners have been upset by it. If they have, I haven't heard the complaints yet.
 

gamerprinter

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I think many of the new games and possible new games of the future could not exist without something like Kickstarter to fund it. I don't see Kickstarter as a negative in any way - it's only a form of funding. Most RPG publications in the past decades were created with requirements of sums of money provided by the publishers through bank loans, savings, tax returns - money that could have been useful elsewhere. With the existence of Kickstarter many, many products will have a chance to exist and be purchased that had no chance before Kickstarter. As a means of increasing the amount of available RPG material for your entertainment - this is the real benefit of Kickstarter.

Don't think of it as a Kickstarter project, just consider it a game product that is funded by something like Kickstarter or otherwise. There is no need to assign Kickstarter as some other thing getting involved with our games. It's only a funding source and nothing else.
 

I don't know about podcasts specifically but there has been a lot of chatter online about kickstarter because a) the popularity has exploded in the past year for gaming products and b) some of them have failed to deliver as promised. I suspect those who have been burned have become much more vocal about the potential downside.
 

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