Planescape Do You Care About Planescape Lore?

[Hussar]

I'm not sure what you think it proves to quote someone else who's also disingenuously misrepresenting the people who think that adherence to canon is not an inherently bad thing.



Just so long as we can agree that a more sizeable majority sees it as a good thing.

And, hey, fair enough. I don't understand it, but, fair enough.

So who's the vocal minority exerting a chilling effect on conversation, then?

Well, I guess that would be a vocal majority. Again, fair enough. Canon for canon's sake. I will never, ever understand it.

 

[Mournblade94]

Y'know Mournblade, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone complain that Grey Elves got changed. After all, Grey elves only exist in Greyhawk, AFAIK, so, who is this "they" that got miffed?

Granted, I did see a lot more Planescape criticisms flying about changing Eladrin.

Fair enough, but they were labeled Grey elves in the monster manual and maybe the 2nd edition Monster manual, I think it was but can't be sure.

BUT they were the SUN elves of the Forgotten Realms. Written within the FR books was that Sun elves were the Grey elves. That is where my beef comes from.

 

[Cyberen]

When arguing semantics about the poll :
Please remember the wording of the question is less than optimal : I think (but I may be wrong) the real issue is "should Planescape lore be allowed anywhere near the core".
Please consider the results in perspective of Wandering Monsters polls : consensual issues are above 80% of 4 and 5 (from my own survey and estimate, not from any wotc staff). 56 % is "very controversial" at best for this big tent edition.
I still think Planescape is too rich a setting, too weird a baseline, adds too many overarching plots to figure in the core, which is everybody most basic set of tools.
Out of the core box, the game has to support the most fundamental tropes of fantasy : basically, either FR witj names filed off or 4e implied setting. I would prefer the latter but I am perfectly aware the former is the smartest move considering the fanbase.
Of course, that doesn't mean PS lore should be casually obliterated ! It doesn't mean, either, that 4e is innocent of the capital sin of obliterating previous stuff. But, now it's done, 4e fluff should be judged on its own merits, rather than having to atone again and again.

 

[Savage Wombat]

Who else thinks "too many overarching plots" really boils down to "I don't like the Blood War"?

I can't really remember dozens of ongoing storylines in Planescape materials, just plot seeds. The Blood War is the over-arching "truth" of the setting that bleeds into other worlds. And it does predate Planescape, if you recall.

 

[kitsune9]

I'm joining this conversation somewhat late, but I'm completely barmy for Planescape and everything about it. Torment was completely awesome and well worth the jink I paid for it. If a berk like me could get the dark on worshipping the Lady of Pain without my skin being flayed, I would. However, that would be giving the Lady the laugh wouldn't it and body'd ought not to do that. Well, enough of the bone box flapping.

 

[Dausuul]

I'm joining this conversation somewhat late, but I'm completely barmy for Planescape and everything about it. Torment was completely awesome and well worth the jink I paid for it. If a berk like me could get the dark on worshipping the Lady of Pain without my skin being flayed, I would. However, that would be giving the Lady the laugh wouldn't it and body'd ought not to do that. Well, enough of the bone box flapping.

I think you just gave me a level in barbarian. At least, that sure felt like a sudden +2 to Strength and Constitution. Better get some more coffee before I become fatigued.

 

[RichGreen]

Who else thinks "too many overarching plots" really boils down to "I don't like the Blood War"?

I can't really remember dozens of ongoing storylines in Planescape materials, just plot seeds. The Blood War is the over-arching "truth" of the setting that bleeds into other worlds. And it does predate Planescape, if you recall.

The other big one was the Great Modron March/Dead Gods arc which was very cool. I don't think it would work these days as it would be hard to kill off Orcus only for his return to be a surprise when he's on the front of the 4e MM

 

[Imaro]

Well, I guess that would be a vocal majority. Again, fair enough. Canon for canon's sake. I will never, ever understand it.

Who said this? Maybe if you'd take the time to read what people are actually posting then you'd realize, it just might be that they like Planescape... You know like how you liked 4e's lore... or was that just change for change's sake?

 

[Shemeska]

Who else thinks "too many overarching plots" really boils down to "I don't like the Blood War"?

Quite possibly.

I can't really remember dozens of ongoing storylines in Planescape materials, just plot seeds. The Blood War is the over-arching "truth" of the setting that bleeds into other worlds. And it does predate Planescape, if you recall.

There was the plot that linked Great Modron March/Dead Gods which was also subtly foreshadowed in 'Doors to the Unknown' and the allusions to Orcus in some other prior material.

The only really big one was the ongoing metaplot involving Duke Rowan Darkwood and his quest to the topple the Lady of Pain, culminating in the events of Faction War. Little bits here and there in a number of sourcebooks touched on and hinted at it all, and it was really, really well done IMO. Also it was fairly self-contained as a metaplot, not really impacting things outside of Sigil and the factions.

 

[Savage Wombat]

Actually, I remembered another over lunch - the sudden decision to remove teleport without error from all the fiends, and blame it on the yugoloths. I don't think this was a Planescape-driven decision, but I don't know, and it would certainly look that way.