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What you're talking about is trade dress. It is specifically defined as Product Identity in the OGL.
That could be one way of approaching it, although I'm not 100% sure that tables printed within a book, on pages that are not sold separately and are not necessarily readily visible to a consumer wanting to purchase the book from a vendor, amount to trade dress. If they are trade dress, then use of them would be OGL-violating. If they are not trade dress but are the subject of copyright, then use of them would also be OGL-violating, as the user wouldn't have the rights in respect of them that the OGL requires him/her to have.

In the GSL WotC covers all its bases, characterising the licensed templates and tables as falling within WotC's property rights pursuant to and and all of "patent, copyright, trademark, trade dress, trade name or trade secret right and any other intellectual property or proprietary right owned by Wizards."

My intuition, for what it's worth, is that the copyright claim extends further than any trade dress claim - eg changing colours and font but otherwise preserving layout might differentiate a 3PP's formatting from WotC's trade dress, but would still have the potential to be a breach of WotC's copyright.

Anyway, unless I've misunderstood you, I don't think you're disagreeing with my claim that using the OGL to clone 4e could be tricky, if cloning is taken to include the power, item, monster etc templates/layout.
 

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[MENTION=4038]God[/MENTION] - since when did you start caring about OGL. In all the years I knew you, you never once talked about using an OGL product and, if memory serves, refused to use anything that didn't have the wotc seal of approval.

Then you are mistaking me for someone else. I certainly have no idea who you are.
 


What OGL products were you fond of using?

I'm a charter Pathfinder subscriber. Bought pretty much everything Malhavoc published. Subscribed to Kobold Quarterly for the entire run. Own the Black Company RPG, Thieves' World RPG, lots of Green Ronin's Freeport stuff, lots of Super Genius .pdfs. That's what springs to mind immediately, but I'm not in a position to check my game cabinets at the moment.
 

I'm a charter Pathfinder subscriber. Bought pretty much everything Malhavoc published. Subscribed to Kobold Quarterly for the entire run. Own the Black Company RPG, Thieves' World RPG, lots of Green Ronin's Freeport stuff, lots of Super Genius .pdfs. That's what springs to mind immediately, but I'm not in a position to check my game cabinets at the moment.

Fair nuff, lot of good stuff in there.
 


Then you are mistaking me for someone else. I certainly have no idea who you are.

Whoops. My complete bad. Sorry about that. Had a player in an online game for years on another forum that went by the same nick. I knew he lurked here, but as [MENTION=4038]God[/MENTION]Returns, as it turns out. Got you mixed up. Sorry for that.

And nice product list as well. :D
 


Yeah. Notice that thread is nine months old, and based on an email exchange old even then. So, say, more than a year ago (before the public playtest ever started) WotC staff thought the game would be OGL. I don't know if that's worth anything now - how many times has the management staff turned over since then?
 


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