D&D 5E Should the Fighter's "Second Wind" ability grant temporary HP instead of regular HP?

[thunktanker]

If Mearls said there are no options... there are no options... that should be enough to make a decision.

Yeah, I remember that tweet: "There are no options! F U! I'M MIKE MEARLS!"

 

[Manbearcat]

It seems trivially easy to have a Second Wind Alternative that

1) isn't spammable out of combat on a short rest schedule

and

2) allows people to have their HP as meat.

Second Wind: You have a limited well of stamina you can draw on to protect yourself from harm. When bloodied/below 50 % hit points, you can use a bonus action to gain temporary hit points equal to 1d10 + your fighter level.

Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again.
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Done. Over. Chicken Little can take 5.

 

[thunktanker]

It seems trivially easy to have a Second Wind Alternative that

1) isn't spammable out of combat on a short rest schedule

and

2) allows people to have their HP as meat.

Second Wind: You have a limited well of stamina you can draw on to protect yourself from harm. When bloodied/below 50 % hit points, you can use a bonus action to gain temporary hit points equal to 1d10 + your fighter level.

Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again.
​

Done. Over. Chicken Little can take 5.

Drops the mic.

 

[Cybit]

It seems trivially easy to have a Second Wind Alternative that

1) isn't spammable out of combat on a short rest schedule

and

2) allows people to have their HP as meat.

Second Wind: You have a limited well of stamina you can draw on to protect yourself from harm. When bloodied/below 50 % hit points, you can use a bonus action to gain temporary hit points equal to 1d10 + your fighter level.

Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again.
​

Done. Over. Chicken Little can take 5.

If only the edition were really versatile and robust such that it could take those kinds of modifications and not break the game....

 

[thunktanker]

If only the edition were really versatile and robust such that it could take those kinds of modifications and not break the game....

I'm dying to hear how this breaks the game.

 

[Cybit]

I'm dying to hear how this breaks the game.

But, but, of course it would break the game. How couldn't it????

There were heavy amounts of sarcasm in my previous post.

 

[Hussar]

Unfortunately, that level of reasonability existed in 4e too where you could change healing rates in a sentence and the game works fine but those intent on winning edition wars refused to accept that.

This is the exact same argument with a fake nose and glasses.

 

[thunktanker]

But, but, of course it would break the game. How couldn't it????

There were heavy amounts of sarcasm in my previous post.

Missed it! You're all right by me, Cybit.

 

[Emerikol]

I am sure it could be houseruled. The reason I'm not going to houserule it is that Wotc is making a concerted effort to end my playstyle. They are not offering alternatives and I apologize for not being clearer. Mike made it pretty clear there will not be any alternatives for second wind specifically. He did say that there would be alternative ways to use HD.

I think it's funny though. Who is wanting super slow healing that wants second wind? Why even put that in the DM's guide? I mean if you are going to blow us off just blow us off completely why waste space on options nobody is likely to want.

I decided a long time ago that I wasn't giving money to a company that didn't respect the old school crowd enough to give them an OPTIONAL rule to remove inspirational healing. I didn't ask to be in front or the default. I know he could have written that rule easily. He chose not to do so and irrationally if you ask me unless his goal is the ending of all other ways of interpreting hit points.

 

[Emerikol]

The numbers still say that roughly 2 million players play a fantasy RPG (per Scott Rouse).
Roughly,
500,000+ of those bought the 3e PHB (per former WotC staffer)
300-400k of those bought the 3.5 PHB (per former WotC staffer)
250-400k of those bought the 4e PHB (speculation)
250k+ of those bought the Pathfinder Core Bookbook (per Erik Mona at GAMA)

So effectively at least a million of the existing players have 'Rage Quit' by not buying the most recent rulebook, repeatedly, over every edition. Not including the roughly 20 million people who have only played frpg games for a short time and then drifted away.

I think 5e will survive a fair amount of 'rage quitting'.

Look. 4e did not kill D&D. I do not for even one second think that 5e is as bad as 4e. My intent is not to "destroy" Wotc. I am just not supporting them because they do not support me. It's a simple business transaction. I don't go to restaurants that treat me bad either.