I try not to ever play in groups like that... I much prefer groups of friends that can talk and all add to the world...
Many of us play with friends. The point is that friends can add good suggestions and a DM often goes along, the line in the sand though is when the idea of friendship means that the DM has to go along with a suggestion, just because a friend said it.
what makes a person wanting to play a game for fun entitled? that word gets thrown around like it is an insult like calling the person out for doing something wrong... when remember the high crime that person commeted was wanting to have fun playing D&D...
The crime is not wanting to have fun playing D&D. The crime is forcing one person's idea of fun onto other people, especially the DM.
As for entitled, yes, that word is bandied about quite a bit. It does seem to suit the situation though. There's a lot of people whose expectations are that if it is written in a gaming book, then they can do it. That's not how I view the game. I view the game as a shared story where the DM does most of the work setting it up, so HE is entitled to make the rules. The players contribute a lot and the DM is expected to use common sense and make good adjudications, but the players are not entitled to make any of the rules, including which races/classes/spells/feats are allowed. Making a suggestion? Great. Deciding? No.
every game has the same exact rules... that doesn't sound to me like you have much varriaty... I also never said anything about alignment, and almost always play heroic fantasy myself... so I don't see why a Dragonborn isn't heroic fantasy...
Just the way I view it. Dragonborn are monsters in my campaign world. Not much different than Lizardmen. Half Orcs are allowed and only semi-montrous, but most players do not play them because they know that they are basically monstrous creatures that are often shunned by many civilized NPCs, especially in rural areas. I let my players know this ahead of time. Tieflings are monsters.
I have the "good races" and the monstrous races. PCs are not allowed to be monstrous races.
The majority of the races in the MM are monstrous and not allowed as PCs. Minotaurs. Were-creatures, etc.
just to make sure we are clear... this "Whiny self important/entitled person" is someone who wants to play a Dragonborn... I just don't understand how you can hate a fellow player that could be a fun new friend based on such a litte
No, the "whiny self important/entitled person" is someone who wants to play a Dragonborn and makes a deal out of it when the DM says it's not allowed. And, I do not hate that person. You said that, not me.
Wanting to play a given race is fine. Expecting to play a disallowed race or arguing about it? That's what makes someone whiny, self important, and entitled.
Someone who does not believe that the DM should have the final world is also whiny, self important, and entitled. Now, DMs are human and can be heavy handed or make mistakes, but players can vote with their feet if a given campaign gets too overbearing. But most games where the DM disallows some aspects of the game are not heavy handed. They are just as envisioned by the DM.
yet you have no trouble grouping large swath of people who play the same game as you for the same reason as "Whiny self important/entitled person" just because they want to try to play something you don't like
Nope. I am totally ok with anyone wanting to play anything they want. But they might not be able to play it exactly as they like in my game. In my game, I make the rules. I try to be fair, but I don't necessarily let a player come in and coerce me into doing things their way.
it sounds like you are the one getting offended that someone likes something you do not, and you are not interested in gaming with a lot of gamers... I don't get it...
I enjoy gaming with most gamers I have ever gamed with. I would game 2 or 3 times a week if the opportunity presented itself. I do not enjoy gaming with entitled people. Anyone who argues with the DM or thinks that everything in the PHB is fair game is not the type of person I enjoy gaming with.
Why does this community (D&D not just enworld) seem to be getting so much harder to come togather... it isn't even just edition wars now, but something bigger. If I walked up to a table at my FLGS and said "Hey can I play" and the DM said sure... then told me every idea I have wont fit his world I may or may not play it... or might try to make minor adjustments to fit it... if they ever said I was "Whiny self important/entitled person" just because I wanted to play a basic character I would be insulted... and I'm pretty sick of how fractured we all are.
It really sounds to me that you feel entitled (there's that word again) to play any class / race in print at any DM's table and if you are not allowed, the DM is the one at fault. The fact that you do not like the DM making minor adjustments to your PC to fit his world is a bit telling.
As for being fractured, we are no more fractured than any other group of people (e.g. Democrats, Independents, and Republicans). If we all thought the same, D&D would be a fairly boring game.
Btw, I have a lot more leeway in my houserules if I am running a game at a FLGS, more than in a home campaign with close friends.
In this thread things that make DMs mad are (not all inclusive) picking the wrong name... picking the wrong sub class... picking the wrong class... picking the wrong weapon/armor that your approved race/class can use... and if you try to say something as simple as "Hey I think it would be cool if" you get labeled "Whiny self important/entitled person"
Only if the DM disagrees and you push the issue. If the DM agrees, no problem. If the DM does not agree and you just drop it, again, no problem.