D&D 5E Reasons Why My Interest in 5e is Waning

[PnPgamer]

I as a player live on the campagins itself. Our dm is more than capable of creating interesting campaigns for us, and there are still plenty of builds for me to try out.

I have actually made a challenge for myself to make characters effective without multiclassing. One player has thus far only created characters that always start out as clerics, and then on second level immediately multiclasses.

 

[Shasarak]

I *was* a big fan of the Paizo model.
Then they went with monthly player companions, less necessary splatbooks, crunch heavy campaign books, and generally ramped up production to ridiculous levels. I was a big supporter of how they'd kept classes down in the game and how all the accessories seemed to feel into the needs of the Adventure Path line. But as Pathfinder has become bigger, this has drifted.

I think some of those new classes are really cool, especially compared to the Basic Fighter, Wizard, Cleric, Thief.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I just can not for the life of me see how lack of "stuff" would stop someone from playing a game that doesn't require any "stuff" to be produced.

You're in a club and for some reason, the barman doesn't serve any drinks. People are complaining about it and you're all like "Dudes, just enjoy the music!"

I can understand both point of views but even though a healthy flow of new sourcebooks is not required, it is expected by many people who think that it enhance their experience.

 

[Psikerlord#]

Thread way too long, didnt read it.

I'll just say the 5 points in the OP dont matter much to me. I like no splay books, dont mind about pdfs or otherwise, i dont mind waiting, and rarely use digital tools (I dont think they're necessary at all for 5e). Of all of the points, I am interested in the OGL - to allow others to make cool, short adventures and other stuff, which I might then buy.

But ... personally I'm just getting started with 5e!

 

[Celtavian]

I *was* a big fan of the Paizo model.
Then they went with monthly player companions, less necessary splatbooks, crunch heavy campaign books, and generally ramped up production to ridiculous levels. I was a big supporter of how they'd kept classes down in the game and how all the accessories seemed to feel into the needs of the Adventure Path line. But as Pathfinder has become bigger, this has drifted.

I agree. That's why I'm all for quick ramp up followed by a big slow down once the game reaches maturity.

It became too much after a while. Lots of redundancy with different names. Overpowered abilities leaking into the game that power gamers find and use and Paizo doesn't fix for ages. I didn't like that stuff. The Mythic Adventures was a gigantic miss. Unwieldy mechanics and number inflation over creativity and interesting gameplay.

 

[Nilbog]

My interest in 5e is anything but waning. Loving the system as it is right now.

As for the OP's original points:

Digital Tools/PDF's - an absolute non-issue for me, I work in IT spend all day looking at a monitor, when I game I want to get away from laptops and tablets, likewise when I prep for DM'ing I like doing it old school, in fact so much so that a PDF can actually be a detriment. I'm interested ins Scourge of the Sword coast, but hesitating as its pdf only.

Release Schedule - Short of concerns that Wizards is trying to wash its hands of the game, I'm not too fussed. I have enough material to keep me going fro the next year, although a new monster manual would be nice.

OGL - this would be nice, but I'm in no rush yet

 

[delericho]

For me, the worst thing about 5e is that I still haven't found time to read any of the Core Rulebooks, or to play more than 2 sessions of the game.

I would like PDFs, and electronic tools, and an OGL, but the truth is that I can wait for those.

 

[Psikerlord#]

My interest in 5e is anything but waning. Loving the system as it is right now.

As for the OP's original points:

Digital Tools/PDF's - an absolute non-issue for me, I work in IT spend all day looking at a monitor, when I game I want to get away from laptops and tablets, likewise when I prep for DM'ing I like doing it old school, in fact so much so that a PDF can actually be a detriment. I'm interested ins Scourge of the Sword coast, but hesitating as its pdf only.

Release Schedule - Short of concerns that Wizards is trying to wash its hands of the game, I'm not too fussed. I have enough material to keep me going fro the next year, although a new monster manual would be nice.

OGL - this would be nice, but I'm in no rush yet

Actually yep i would like a new MM- with a focus on every monster having a little quirky, cool ability. That would be awesome.

 

[ren1999]

Did you go to the link? HTTP://D20GAME.WEEBLY.COM
This is a digital tool.

 

[dmccoy1693]

I hear and understand the op's complaints. But what I really hear when I look at the bigger picture is "The new engine and car is nice. But I would like more features. I can install my old features I like. But its like putting my old 2000's ish corolla climate control into a brand new BMW." And that is a valid point of view. Valid of course does not mean *right* or *wrong* only that it is his point of view and just fine.

I would say you hit my feelings squarely on the head.

There is only one gripe I really have is the people who say "the game is only out a few months." I am sorry. That is wholly factually incorrect. For those of us in the playtest we have been basically playing the 5e chassis for more than 2 years. Even if you only count "official" releases, starter set and PHB came out this time last year. That is when 5E released... That is when the game became playable by the masses. I am sorry, the MM and the DMG add much needed core mechanics to the game, but the GAME has been OUT AND PLAYABLE since PHB. And that was the POINT of PHB coming first. It is OVERDUE for more content. But we shouldnt begrudge the company for trying a new approach, and wading in slowly.

I would agree whole-heartedly with this as well. After playing the 5e chassis for, essentially, 3 years without a single supplement, it is overdue, IMHO. I certainly don't begrudge them for trying a new business model, but at the same time, Wizards is preventing others from making material by not having any kind of open license for the game. So if they don't want to fill the demand, let others in the meantime.