D&D 5E How many fans want a 5E Warlord?

[TrippyHippy]

As I said before, the roles were DESCRIPTIVE; they described how the character was USUALLY played. Now, it was certainly possible to break the molds (something every edition but 4e did right; allow out of the box thinking) but the fact that they could be broken does not deny that a lot of people DID view the guy with low AC and high HP as the one to get beat up in combat or that the moment you find yourself with half the party in single digit hp or dying, the "gee, maybe someone should have played a character with cure light wounds" didn't happen.

It still doesn't matter if you use CAPITALS or not. They were not written into any books, descriptive or not, and were simply not there outside of some individuals imagination.

 

[Bluenose]

I agree that 4e did not create the roles, just made them explicit in the design. But that does not mean the roles were always there in the past, even though some players found the designations useful when they played. I believe the formulation of healer, tank and DPS may have existed at some tables early on, but that would take a focused group of players trying to optimize and win the game, etc. Which is not at all what I experienced, until, you know, the internet happened and MMO's and forums occurred.

Tabletop wargamers, perhaps. People whose experience with tabletop games involved playing to win and finding ways to make groups whose individual members have different capabilities into more than the sum of their parts. Now, where was early D&D sold and who was it sold to?

 

[mellored]

Which is why the saga noble is a better model than the warlord. It is broad enough to be a class.

Agreed. We need a more support focused base class.

And if someone wants a more fightery style, they can multi-class noble/fighter. Or a sub-class.


Also, i feel like we could skip some issues if we used the name "spell-less bard".
For some reason no one seems to care that a bard inspires you for +1 to hit, or can inspire you to regain HP.

 

[Wuzzard]

Tabletop wargamers, perhaps. People whose experience with tabletop games involved playing to win and finding ways to make groups whose individual members have different capabilities into more than the sum of their parts. Now, where was early D&D sold and who was it sold to?

That could be true, that many original players were wargamers and were predisposed to think of the game tactically, as a team against the DM's monsters, and thus envisioned optimal tactics given the rules. I did not know any of these people. I was introduced to the game when basic D&D (one of the colored boxes) was first introduced and the market swelled to many orders of magnitude beyond the original wargamers.

This D&D was not a wargame to the players I knew, it was taught as an exploration game, a puzzle solving game, a find the treasure and evade the bad guys game, with some combat involved some times, but usually not so difficult or complicated that it required coordinated tactics to defeat the baddies, and if it got tough, you ran away! It was a thinking game, where the group was involved in finding a solution or forming a plan; and it was a game of experimenting to see what happened. Combats were relatively easy, and they were not the focus.

I suspect that most of these games (then constituting most of the games played) where played by players that did not have war-gaming background and did not understand the mechanics deeply enough to form such tactics, so it was more likely played as a group of individuals, with somewhat diverging goals.

 

[Celondon]

I wish I had datamining tools to see the post frequency on this topic. It looks like 120 pages of mostly the same couple people going back and forth.

 

[Wuzzard]

Still, regardless of the actual discussion on this thread, it looks like the warlordians are slowly closing in on the lemon curries. Pretty soon now, it may be possible that warlords are proven to be more popular than lemon curry.

 

[mellored]

I wish I had datamining tools to see the post frequency on this topic. It looks like 120 pages of mostly the same couple people going back and forth.

While not perfect, the poll counts individual support.

 

[mellored]

Still, regardless of the actual discussion on this thread, it looks like the warlordians are slowly closing in on the lemon curries. Pretty soon now, it may be possible that warlords are proven to be more popular than lemon curry.

To be fair, i want both.

 

[Wuzzard]

To be fair, i want both.

Multiclassing?

 

[mellored]

Multiclassing?

lemon curry should be available to all classes.