D&D 5E Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."

[lowkey13]

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[Maxperson]

Wait...does this mean Earth is no longer canon?

Because I've read an awful lot of setting material that said Earth had exactly one moon.

We're now an alternate Earth!

 

[Maxperson]

Don't even get me started.

Do you remember when they retconned Pluto? Man, that was a controversial reboot of the setting!

Their retcon was a fumble. Pluto is now a dwarf PLANET. Dwarf being a descriptor, it's still a freaking planet. So there are still 9 of them, even with their change.

 

[Maxperson]

If all these "lines" are personal and idiosyncratic, then what is the force of your judgment "That's not realy a GH game?" It doesn't seem to have any force at all.

I never said there was force to it. As you change the setting more and more, more and more players will come to the conclusion that it's really not Greyhawk at all.

 

[Maxperson]

I don't accept the addition/change distinction. But both [MENTION=48965]Imaro[/MENTION] and [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] do. And they've relied upon that distinction to argue that adding new lore that fills in gaps or contradicts implications in earlier lore is not change but addition.

I'm saying that, by their standards, a 3rd moon is not a change. As [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] has pointed out, the two canonical moons are still there. There's just a third one too. No where does the canon say there is not a 3rd moon. And it's written in the voice of an in-fiction sage and astrologer - maybe that sage just wasn't aware of the 3rd moon when writing that particular treatise? Or didn't want to mention it because it's taboo, or bad luck, to do so? (This is a variation of [MENTION=23935]Nagol[/MENTION]'s point not far upthread.)

Having a 3rd moon doesn't contradict anything in the earlier material - the other two moons are still there, just as desdribed. And the canon never asserts that they're the only two moons. (I think this is much the same point as [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION]'s not far upthread.)

I doesn't have to say what's not there. It has to say what IS there. Without open language such as, "There are two known moons.", the statements are definitive.

 

[Shasarak]

Woah. Expedition, first run in 1976, published in 1980, written by EGG himself, with a specific placement in Greyhawk and references to places (Geoff) that many people weren't even aware of until the 1983 set ...

Isn't Greyhawk canon?

Dude, if that's not canon (however you might define it) something has gone seriously wrong.

It is not my definition. There has been one poster in this thread that rejects products that have the wrong tropes and Expedition certainly does not fit the normal swords and sorcery trope.

 

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[TwoSix]

Their retcon was a fumble. Pluto is now a dwarf PLANET. Dwarf being a descriptor, it's still a freaking planet. So there are still 9 of them, even with their change.

Actually, there'd be 13, since IAU recognizes five dwarf planets.

Wait...13? Holy crap, Earth is an alt-Eberron!

 

[Hriston]

We aren't speaking to "published" material...

I have no idea what you mean by this.

 

[Imaro]

I have no idea what you mean by this.

The discussion was about a DM making a change not about a published change...