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D&D 5E Alternate vampires for 5e

Ketser

First Post
While i can appreciate the standard "stokerian" vampires in 5e, i also have started feeling that they only really fit only certain kinds of adventures/encounters. I have a few times tried to use vampire spawn as lesser vampires and let's be hones they haven't been the most interesting monsters and aren't really meant to be used as solo monsters. The only other vampire option is a "CR13" full blooded vampire who is pretty built to be Count Dracula/Strahd and let's be honest outside of a "classic vampire story," it feels kinda meh. After a lot of various different depictions of vampire in literature, games and other media, the standard ones feel lacking and i would like to see more options for vampires/vampiric monsters. Especially in the CR 5-10 range.

So i started thiking about what kinds of alternate vampires i want in my current campaign and started looking how would build them, so i started picking some other monsters, re-skinning their abilities and/or adding more vampiric elements. I have currently the basic idea for two varieties using currently names from Witcher games as sort of placeholders:

Ekimmara/Fledger: The more feral/bestial vampire. Started building it from the hybrid form of the weretiger. The pounce attack is a great combination with vampiric bite.

Bruxa: The more charismatic and magical ability based. Based on the incubus/succubus (which can be used in a lot of standard "vampire stories" or even pretty easily altered), has charm abilities, but also a lot of turn into mist/invisible abilities for tactical reasons (to attack, not just flee or travel). Still working on those.
Might also revisit the standard vampire and its spawn, to see what i can see there. And having a few other ideas.

What are your thoughts on the matter? Do you feel the standard 5e vampires lacking, do you feel that there could be some subtypes or alternate vampires or perhaps a list of additional/alternate abilities and weaknesses that DMs could use to make their vampires different.

PS. About certain kind of sparkling creatures... well real vampires only sparkle when they are under the effects of the glitterdust spell, so for them we would need to get that spell back into 5e.
 

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Oofta

Legend
I'm with you on "the only reason vampires sparkle in the sun is because they're about to explode".

One of the things I've done in the past is to steal some ideas from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Vampires are really bodies posessed by demonic spirits. They may have the memories of the body of the previous person and may even believe they are that person. But they are not that person - that person is dead.

In my campaign that meant a few things. The ghost of the person who died may haunt or try to communicate with loved ones. If you wanted to ressurect someone that had been turned into a vampire, you had to drive the demon out first. They also displayed other characteristics and styles like you allude to. In some stories they were seeking "ascendence", with different paths and so on. That let me set up entire enclaves of vampires with different variations like you're talking.

To me the details of stats is less important than story. If you have a variety of vampires, why do the varieties exist? In addition, if you have a variety they should still feel like vampires. Leaders tended be Dracula like, foot soldiers were feral and there were also ones that were kind of a hybrid bat/vampire mix.

But they all sucked. Blood that is.
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
Looks like Someone has been playing Blood and Wine.

I'm not sure how well the Witcher names work for Vampire Variants, but I do know I would enjoy having some. In addition to the ones you mention, a really high CR Ubervampire would be great in my book.
 

Ath-kethin

Elder Thing
I don't use "true" vampires in my campaigns; like you, I find they don't suit the flavor I'm trying to evoke.

Most often, I use ghasts to fill the niche normally occupied by vampires. A ghast with warlock levels or rogue levels or paladin levels is a pretty formidable foe, and makes for a far more interesting character in my opinion.
 




Ketser

First Post
Looks like Someone has been playing Blood and Wine.

I'm not sure how well the Witcher names work for Vampire Variants, but I do know I would enjoy having some. In addition to the ones you mention, a really high CR Ubervampire would be great in my book.

Well both names are mostly meant as placeholders, although i have grabbed a few ideas from witcher for the second archetype (active use of mist form/invisibility as a combat ability).

To me the details of stats is less important than story. If you have a variety of vampires, why do the varieties exist? In addition, if you have a variety they should still feel like vampires. Leaders tended be Dracula like, foot soldiers were feral and there were also ones that were kind of a hybrid bat/vampire mix.

But they all sucked. Blood that is.

I totally agree. Atm the main connecting factors are: they drink blood, are undead and have serious issues with sunlight. Other benefits and weaknesses be vary. When it comes to the reason why there are different varieties, then in my current campaign i'm still thinking about it. In earlier campaigns i have used ideas of vampire bloodlines, with an original vampire rising because "reasons" and those "reasons" granting different strengths and weaknesses which they pass on to their "progeny." Kinda like VtM, but without a direct single ancestor (so more like VtR :p). So i might consider that option.

Also as a interesting and the Buffy vampire related note. The Complete Divine sourcebook in 3.5 actually made most of sentient undead into something like Buffyverse vampires, with an negative energy entity taking control over the body, with the bonus of trapping the original soul, to watch all the evil its causing. I think only liches, ghosts and few others were themselves. Although i don't remember if they ever revisited that idea in any other of 3.5 books.
 



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