D&D 5E D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

[FrogReaver]

Only to you. The rest of us could manage to hold this conversation perfectly fine without hearing all about your heterosexuality and your maleness. Shouldn't you keep that sort of thing to yourself?

Why exactly can't we ignore you when your not talking as a mod? That would be a nice feature.

 

[FrogReaver]

Are you for real?

Are you saying they don't?

Or are you saying they do so for different reasons?

 

[Yunru]

Hitting on a girl is announcing (at least part of) your sexuality. But that's just a less tactful, potentially more offensive, way of saying "I'm interested in you, are you interested in me?"

Point is announcing your sexuality at that point is relevant. Unlike the stereotypes.

 

[Kryx]

Hitting a girl is not announcing your heterosexuality. Hitting on a girl is hitting on a girl.

Why exactly do gay people hit on people the same sex as them again?

Are you for real?

Seriously.. his posts show such a lack of awareness of not only himself, but also society, but this one takes the cake.
[MENTION=6795602]FrogReaver[/MENTION] your statements are full of so much homophobia.

 

[Caliban]

Are you saying they don't?

Or are you saying they do so for different reasons?

Dude, you just claimed that a guy hitting on a girl (as in expressing romantic interest in her) is not "announcing their heterosexuality". It is the clearest demonstration of heterosexuality short of actually copulating in public.

And now you want to act as if you didn't say this utterly ridiculous thing and pretend I was referring to something else.

So, I ask again: Are you for real? Is this just trolling on your part?

 

[Nagol]

Dude, you just claimed that a guy hitting on a girl (as in expressing romantic interest in her) is not "announcing their heterosexuality". It is the clearest demonstration of heterosexuality short of actually copulating in public.

And now you want to act as if you didn't say this utterly ridiculous thing and pretend I was referring to something else.

So, I ask again: Are you for real? Is this just trolling on your part?

Well, yes and no. I have friends that hit on sexually-inappropriate targets fairly frequently. Generally playfully, but it can be disconcerting for the hittee.

 

[Yunru]

Seriously.. his posts show such a lack of awareness of not only himself, but also society, but this one takes the cake.
[MENTION=6795602]FrogReaver[/MENTION] your statements are full of so much homophobia.

That's not homophobia. Nothing about it's homophobic. Nothing about it was corrrect either, but not homophobic.

 

[FrogReaver]

Dude, you just claimed that a guy hitting on a girl (as in expressing romantic interest in her) is not "announcing their heterosexuality". It is the clearest demonstration of heterosexuality short of actually copulating in public.

And now you want to act as if you didn't say this utterly ridiculous thing and pretend I was referring to something else.

So, I ask again: Are you for real? Is this just trolling on your part?

Heterosexuals announce to a potential partner their interest by hitting on them. Obviously if you hit on a member of the opposite sex it can be inferred you are heterosexual or bi but the purpose of the hit on was not to let them know you are heterosexual or bi but to let them know you are interested.

Heterosexuals don't go around announcing to the world that they are heterosexual. They announce they are interested in a specific individual and by doing that their sexuality can be inferred. If you don't get that difference then something is wrong...

 

[Ganymede81]

Weren't you just saying that that adventure was to in-your-face with the heterosexual relationship?

I was using sarcasm to illustrate a seeming double-standard when it came to overt depictions of straight carnal relationships and how straight attraction is not simply ubiquitous in adventures, it can even be the fulcrum for those adventures.

I mean yes, it's nice that in can be tactfully done, but a big announcement like this is just asking for publishers who don't really care to start putting in token characters rather than LGBT people.

This is an irrational prediction.

Do you honestly believe that, despite the fact that CoS has contradicted this prediction at every turn, WOTC is going to start populating its adventures with characters that serve no other purpose than to be gay?

People worry about weird stuff.

 

[MechaPilot]

I know you've been having a heated discussion with another poster, but please try to remember I'm not Shidaku.

I love it. You can't blame them but you blame them.

I did say "I can't entirely blame them," and not "I can't blame them at all." Everyone has influences on their life that affect them, even if only subconsciously. I can't blame people for having those influences. But, we should all endeavor to be better people, to rise above our biases and try to treat people the way we would like to be treated. That means occasionally examining what we think, say, and do, and challenging our own preconceived notions. Sometimes, it takes others pointing out (preferably with some tact and decorum) a behaviour of ours to make us see influences and preconceived notions we weren't previously aware of.

Yet somehow the biggest concern of their actions you have brought up is a brief pause.

A brief pause, an awkward silence that feels quite like eternity, instigated because my character is similar to how I am. Yeah, each and every time it makes me feel judged, as if this fact about me that's beyond my control somehow says something distasteful about me and the quality of my personal character. But, I've played a lot of RPGs, and it's come up enough that I've pretty much gotten used to it, sort of like getting used to a recurring headache.

They are playing the game with you. They know your Lez or Gay or whatever term you prefer and somehow it's a brief pause that concerns you.

Sure, we're playing a game together. That doesn't mean we have the same ideals about everything. I had a friend I played D&D (and Robotech) with turn skinhead on me. As long as he didn't bring that racist crap to the table I was fine with him being there (and, on retrospect, I'm glad I was. I think I provided him with a place where he could be around others who were different but friendly, a nice contrast to all that skinhead baggage and indoctrination). I did eventually have to ask him to leave when he couldn't abide by leaving the skinhead crap at the door.

It's a shame he went down that road, and that I couldn't influence him away from it. Before he got caught up in all that trash, he was a pretty good friend.

I can only assume the DM went along with it after that brief pause or you would have mentioned that?

It's happened more than once, substantially. The games I play in don't shy away from sexuality. We don't go into details about the PCs engaging in sex, or anything like that, but we do see romance & sexuality as part of the "whole package" of the human (elf, dwarf, etc) experience.

As to the outcomes, there were times when the DM had gone along with it, and there were times when they didn't. Which is fine. I don't expect every NPC a character hits on to be interested in that character, regardless of whether it's my character or not, and regardless of whether the reason is the NPC's sexuality or some other factor (for example, I could easily see my Tiefling PC being rejected by another girl based on opinions about her fiendish lineage).

Like I don't get what more you want. You can't control other peoples reactions to you and what you are and yet it seems that every reaction was perfect except a brief pause. Are you sure you aren't just hypersensitive to this issue and reading more into peoples actions than are actually there?

I won't say I'm not sensitive to the issue. I don't think I'm hypersensitive about it, but there is a measure of sensitivity there, sure. As far as reading more into their actions than are actually there, that is a mistake I have made in the past (I'm sure we've all made that mistake at some point), but not in this case. As I said, I actually asked them about it. The pause was not a matter of the DM trying to recall "was there anything in the NPC's description that makes it inconsistent for her to be gay?" It literally was a matter of "Is it appropriate for this barmaid (who was just made up on the spot and not described in the published adventure) to be gay?"

I don't go around telling people I'm straight. I don't know hardly any straight male that does. Why gay men have to tell everyone they are gay?

Any person who engages in public displays of affection is, effectively, telling everyone who can see them what their sexuality is. Not that I think that's a problem, but there is a big double standard in society about homosexuals "flaunting" or "shoving their sexuality in people's faces" by holding hands, hugging, or kissing in public when straight couples get an automatic pass on that. I'm also not saying you engage in that double standard, I'm just reminding you that it exists.