D&D 5E Mearls' "Firing" tweet

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ArchfiendBobbie

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Hey, maybe I'm reading you wrong, but this whole comics derail you've been very strongly invested in the idea that Marvel's pro-diversity initiative was disastrous. Moreso than just debating facts would. And if I'm reading you wrong - sorry about that.

For the rest - you seem to be under the assumption that not confronting trolls - or harassers or cyber-bullies or whatever - will lead them to stop. Why would they? They want to control the conversation, play to their friends, and cow their opponents into silence. Giving them that silence and control is not going to make them stop.

And let's talk about the target here for just a minute because you're focusing only on the trolls. Are you saying that Kate should sit and passively accept the harassment and gatekeeping that she's evidently being exposed to? Seems like a kind of awful thing to ask of someone, frankly.

You're kinda reading me right, but kinda wrong, on the comics issue. The reason why I am so focused on it is that I am wanting to make certain I have a pattern of behavior understood for the people who were against diversity in comics. That is why I also link the issue to Ghostbusters; same pattern of behavior cropped up. And it appears to be cropping up with DnD. It doesn't necessarily have to be any organized movement or conspiracy, but it could be a societal movement within a certain group and one that we need to know how to properly counter in order to limit the damage they can do.

I'm really not thinking of the idea of letting them control the conversation. Which is actually why I'm opposed to how Mearls confronted them; he's effectively handing control over the conversation to them, rather than controlling it himself. They can take his tweet in any direction they want, as we've seen limited examples of on this thread. There are other methods of countering them without directly engaging them; focusing on the positives of Kate Welch as a start, for example. Including more diversity-oriented articles on the DnD website. Basically, instead of engaging them on their terms, keep forcing them to attack on WotC's and act to make them irrelevant by not even including them in the official conversations and continuing to celebrate and do the very things they hate. Basically, rather than give in, double-down as a massive middle finger to them, then don't even really give them space to reply to it beyond what they already have.

As for Kate Welch... I haven't addressed what she should do because there are no right answers. Basically, she has to choose between equally-awful options. She can sit back and passively take it, in which case they get a free shot at abusing her. She can engage them head-on, but that risks getting doxxed and both her and any family she has harassed in real life (not to mention the threats and worse). Or she can sit back and let someone else defend her, effectively surrendering her empowerment as a woman for a meeker traditional role... and the possibility that all that will happen is someone else suffers the doxxing and other problems. So, basically... there's no good options for her. I have no advice for her because no matter what I recommend I will be telling her to do something horrible. This is a complex situation where she basically has to choose what sacrifice she is willing to make. She has my empathy, and my remorse I don't have any better answer.
 

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FrogReaver

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So I guess [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6795602]FrogReaver[/MENTION] really want to get this thread closed with arguments about racism.....can you guys get back on topic or take it to another website?

I apologize. I shouldn't have snapped at you for offering good advice.
 

Shasarak

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Not a fan of Karl Popper I see?

I probably would have to know who the heck Karl Popper was before being able to confirm or deny that I was a fan.


It's what we call in the biz a paradox. But one we accept in order to have a well-functioning society.

We can have a well functioning society with maximal levels of intolerance. Happens all the time.

Personally I like the American first amendment and this whole idea of "intolerant of intolerance" is the definition of anti-free speech.
 

ArchfiendBobbie

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And so the answer is... what? Do nothing assuming anything we try will always turn out bad? [sarcasm]I know I'd rather work in a sweatshop and be starved for bread while the royalty loses all its tax money (and buckets of conscripted blood) in foreign wars.[/sarcasm]

That post was intended to be humor, not a serious statement.
 


Dannyalcatraz

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They would have to be very careful how you expressed views like that here. I used to work with a holocaust denier but was kind of shocked when I found out.

See also News Radio episode “Copy Machine”, which ends with Dave delivering a hilarious eulogy as the camera widens its frame from a tight shot on his face to taking in the attendees in full regalia...:

I can't claim that I knew Ted well, but I do know that he had has passions. "Star Wars" was one. And apparently he was also a devoted member of the Ku Klux Klan. A fact I only learned moments ago. Sure wish someone had mentioned it. But there you have it. Oh, it says here that he also loved tennis.
 




Personally I like the American first amendment and this whole idea of "intolerant of intolerance" is the definition of anti-free speech.
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