D&D 5E No Magic Shops!

[lowkey13]

*Deleted by user*

 

[Maxperson]

See, a lot depends on characterization. You keep saying that they are forcing you to block them. On the other hand, I would say that they are no longer allowing you to see their posts. Which I think is their right.

Just because you wish to continue a conversation, doesn't mean that they do. And that's how this "ignore" feature works. Which seems to have a positive effect on this website. Personally, I like it, and I will take the occasional skewed page counts in order that a civil discourse is maintained. But that's me - your calculus might be different, and, most importantly, it doesn't really matter which of us is "right" because it's not our website. I'm just trying to point out that your view is not the only one when it comes to this- others will have a different opinion.

A few things. First, the conversation is just as over between us when they block me, even if I can see them and their posts. Second, it's not about post count. I didn't even list post count as one of the things that gets disrupted. I couldn't care less if you see 21 pages and I see 20. Third, it's not occasional. It's almost every thread as posters post all over the place. Fourth, there are entire threads that I can't even enter, let alone have thread count issues. The mechanical aspects are not a minor inconvenience.

(FWIW, I do think that defining this as "bullying" is ... not a great argument. Again, just my opinion, but you don't win arguments on the internet, and you never convince people by trying to define terms such that you win - especially when they are likely to disagree with you on those definition. Then you just end up arguing about definitions, and that's never fun.)[/QUOTE]

This is not about me winning or losing. Forcing me to block them, and I that's what this is as I cannot see or respond to their posts, just as they cannot see or respond to mine, is no different than a schoolyard bully going up to a new kid and forcing him to give up his lunch money. I characterize this and fight against it, because it's what I feel and believe.

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Pricing is more situational than just using the DMG's prices. I make some adjustments for the situation, but I would not use a 'true utility-based price' list where enchanting one item might cost hundreds of times more than enchanting a different one with the same effect.

Some items cost hundreds of times another item's price based on "rarity" alone, despite having the same utility. But you don't want items to vary in price based on utility?
I don't get it.

Edit: more utility based pricing is supposed to avoid items with the same utility costing vastly different amounts.

 

[Maxperson]

If that is really your opinion, then you need to report it to the moderators.

Just like I don't block posters as a personal philosophy, I also don't go tattling to teacher. It would take blatant racism or the like for me to just report a post without first talking to the person and seeing if I could get them to stop on my own, and then warning the person that I will report if the behavior continues.

 

[Sunseeker]

If that is really your opinion, then you need to report it to the moderators.

I would hazard a guess that you might think that reporting a feature of the site as bullying is not, in fact, harassment as defined by this site's code of conduct, in which case I might avoid intemperate rhetoric.

If you are advocating for a change in the ignore feature, maybe a PM to Morrus, or a post on the metathread?

As someone who has Maxperson on ignore, what I have seen of his comments only reinforces my position from earlier: Nothing of value was lost by me no longer being able to see his posts. I mean, what sort of warped position do you need to have to claim you are the victim of cyber-bulling because I no longer allow him to converse with me? It's absurd.

 

[Guest 6801328]

As someone who has Maxperson on ignore, what I have seen of his comments only reinforces my position from earlier: Nothing of value was lost by me no longer being able to see his posts. I mean, what sort of warped position do you need to have to claim you are the victim of cyber-bulling because I no longer allow him to converse with me? It's absurd.

It would be like claiming your right to free speech is infringed by somebody refusing to talk to you.

Oh, wait...that also happens.

 

[lowkey13]

*Deleted by user*

 

[Guest 6801328]

So, I will try this one more time.

Ha!

I have told myself that more than once in arguing with Max. Good luck.

 

[cmad1977]

So, I will try this one more time. Your opinions are not the same as the opinions of everyone else. I don't think that the threshhold for civil discourse should be "Anything up to blatant racism." I like a more ... nice ... forum than that.

On the internet, no one knows if you're a dog. Sometimes, that can be an incredibly freeing experience. Other times, that can be incredibly obnoxious, which is why so many forums, websites, and comment are nothing more than a toxic cesspool. Because people say things to each other that they never would in real life. Even things that we take for granted on the internet; really, how often do you start screaming "strawman" in face-to-face conversations with friends?

The thing that I love about enworld is that people get together and have good conversations about D&D. And other stuff, sometimes. For the most part, it is remarkably civil. Yes, sometimes it gets heated (as this thread, or others, prove). But for the most part, it is remarkably more pleasant than many others. Part of that is the moderation. Part of that is the norms of enworld and the community. And part of that is the ability to ignore- because whenever I'm thinking about taking it up a notch to show that other person JUST HOW WRONG THEY ARE, GRRR, I remember that I don't want to be that guy, I don't want to be ignored, and I try to tone it down. And I think that's a good thing.

There are other forums with different rules, and different rules allow for different levels of community and civility. Again, if you don't like the rules, you can PM Morrus, or you can post about it in the metathread. I don't think it's a great idea to accuse people of bullying for using a forum feature, however. Just my opinion - your opinion might be different. You might want to review the rules of the forum, however, for example- "It should be noted that being excluded due to harrassing behaviour is not considered harrassment."

That's all. Carry on.

You really should stop being such a bully.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Kobold Boots]

So in the interest of closing this side discussion about the ignore function and allowing Max to see the posts I've written earlier today, I've removed everyone from my ignore list.

To recap for Max's sake.

1. When I put people on ignore, I expect that while I won't be able to see the person I ignore, I do not expect that others would not be able to see my posts.
2. Cap'n Kobold corrected my understanding of how the ignore function works here. With that said.
3. I had no intention of offending Max when I ignored him. My only point to telling him I was ignoring him was so he wouldn't expect direct replies.

While this whole thing has done me a world of good in that I now understand the nuances of the ignore function fully, I'm not terribly pleased that I caused a side kerfuffle about bullying. Everyone has my apologies there.
[MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] - You have my apologies, and I'm not going to judge you based on your social world view.

Be well
KB