Will you make transsexual Elves canon in your games ?

[Sunseeker]

I think pming had it right. I'm also bowing out of this thread. No matter what I say, you -and others- are already convinced I'm some kind of genocidal biggoted monster of sorts. If I offended someone, I'm sorry. If you -undetermined you- got the wrong impression of me, I'm sorry too. I was just trying to explain why I'm not in love with the Blessing of Corellon and why I don't plan to use it. It seems I'm not as good with English as I thought. (Or that I underestimated the cultural barriers).

Happy gaming all.

Yes, I get that you said you're not going to reply, but the pity party? Seriously?

You're better than that. I know this because I've conversed with you before. I'm not saying "you can do better" I'm saying you are better.

If I thought you were an idiot or a bigot, I'd have put you on ignore and that would have been the end of it.

I'm not asking you to like the Blessing, I didn't at first, now I'm just neutral on it. I was hoping to challenge your argument by presenting you with evidence that the things you wish to prevent are already included in D&D in multiple ways. Choosing not to include the Blessing is entirely your call. But I feel you, and your tables, and all of us, would all be better if you relied on a stronger argument. "I don't want to give ammo to bad people..." is flawed because the ammo already exists in larger quantities and worse qualities in other aspects of the game. Saying the Blessing just doesn't fit with your homebrew world is a fine argument. Saying the Blessing doesn't mesh with how you like to visualize elven society is fine as well. Even going as far as saying that you disagree that Correllion would actually have such a blessing in the first place is also fine.

I regard you as a smart person, that's why I was so surprised to see such a poor argument come from you.

 

[TheSword]

There is a push in the entertainment world to push PC ideas by introducing them through their entertainment. We saw it in Black Panther. We saw it in Infinity War when Thanos started preaching about using up resources. Hollywood is the biggest partaker in this sort of thing, but authors do it, and games have started doing it. It's pretty clear that WotC is introducing this because of transgender in the real world.

Oh, and what exactly is this "ugly sentiment" you are incorrectly attributing to me?



It's simply one of the various methods to achieve transgender. Keep your biases away from me. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Blank Panther! ‘Politically Correct’ ideas? What, that black people are equal and have a place in the Marvel universe? How is that politically correct, rather than just darned correct. How can that possibly be a controversial issue in 2018? What is shaming is that it took 20 years for a studio to do it!

Yes WOC have introduced a trans/fluid option in their game (played by millions of people) and gay NPCs in the game they write because trans and gay people exist in the real world. You still still haven’t explained what specific tricky problem that is bringing into the game?

 

[Maxperson]

Blank Panther! ‘Politically Correct’ ideas? What, that black people are equal and have a place in the Marvel universe?

No. That part was fine.

 

[TheSword]

No. That part was fine.

Phew, you had me worried for a moment then, with your talk of political correctness. If your responses were less veiled and cryptic I wouldn’t be questioning whether there was an ugly sentiment behind your words. As you are insinuating that part of the film is not fine.

 

[Zardnaar]

There is a push in the entertainment world to push PC ideas by introducing them through their entertainment. We saw it in Black Panther. We saw it in Infinity War when Thanos started preaching about using up resources. Hollywood is the biggest partaker in this sort of thing, but authors do it, and games have started doing it. It's pretty clear that WotC is introducing this because of transgender in the real world.

Oh, and what exactly is this "ugly sentiment" you are incorrectly attributing to me?



It's simply one of the various methods to achieve transgender. Keep your biases away from me. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I'm fine with them pushing transgender things in the game I just don't like how they have done it via a retcon. Why not just make a new races of shapeshifters or something nd introduce them in an adventure.

 

[Mouseferatu]

She wasn't though. You are biased in the other direction and are letting your biases cause you to see things that aren't there in what we are saying.

Oh, are we at the "No, you!" part of the argument already?

Okay. No, you!

 

[Umbran]

There is a push in the entertainment world to push PC ideas by introducing them through their entertainment.

Please don't write off a drive to inclusiveness as "Political correctness" on EN World. If you'd like, please peruse The Rules, which includes the following:

"Keep it inclusive: EN World is an inclusive community, and we encourage and welcome all people here. To that end, we strive to make it a welcoming place where nobody feels alienated because of who they are. You MAY NOT use the terms "agenda", "ideology", "politics", or "propaganda" in relation to the inclusion of people slightly different to you in gaming products or other media..."

As far as this place is concerned, including your fellow human beings in media like they were people with equal abilities and stake in the world, and at least trying to be less racist or sexist is not "political" correctness. It is *actual* correctness. It is a thing we do not because it is bad public relations not to, but because it is the right thing to do.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I'm fine with them pushing transgender things in the game I just don't like how they have done it via a retcon. Why not just make a new races of shapeshifters or something nd introduce them in an adventure.

It’s not so much a retcon as the making explicit of something impliedly possible since AD&D, where Corellan is described in gender fluid terms. It isn’t outside the realm of possibility or probability that some small subset of elves might as closely resemble their deity in this regard as they do in others.

Even in the 3.5 Wiki, they note that while he has “fixated” on a male elven form, he has not lost the ability to become female at will.

 

[Zardnaar]

It’s not so much a retcon as the making explicit of something impliedly possible since AD&D, where Corellan is described in gender fluid terms. It isn’t outside the realm of possibility or probability that some small subset of elves might as closely resemble their deity in this regard as they do in others.

Even in the 3.5 Wiki, they note that while he has “fixated” on a male elven form, he has not lost the ability to become female at will.

God's can do thing like that. Mortals not so much (shape hangers being an exception).

Did not like the 3E art either.

 

[Sunseeker]

God's can do thing like that. Mortals not so much (shape hangers being an exception).

Did not like the 3E art either.

While it's true that all gods can it has been historically show that few gods do.

Anyway, I'm not really sure what the objection is. Elves have almost universally been historically portrayed as physically effeminate to the point that in some depictions it is difficult to tell a male elf from a female elf. If the typical distinction between the sexes both culturally and physically is small to non-existent, then an elf having the magical ability to switch back and forth is a fairly minor element.

There's even some humor in calling it a "Blessing". Without physical differentiation or cultural distinction, the only real difference between "male" and "female" becomes which one has an innie and which one has an outie for reproductive purposes. Being able to change your sex doesn't hold much value in a species that has little physical dimorphism and a culture that doesn't attach social standing to if you've got an input our an output. Socially speaking, such elves may even eschew gendered terms, especially if it can be initially unclear which one to apply. They might simply call each other "comrade" or "friend" or "elf".

Sure, the Blessing can have specific value to an individual, but that's something the player and the DM can work out, it's not really rules territory.

And that's all to say: I don't think the Blessing adds much to such a depiction of elves. But on the same token, it doesn't take anything away either. It really just serves to show the elves are a little more "alien" and a little more "magical" than everyone else.