A GMing telling the players about the gameworld is not like real life

[Maxperson]

The bigger problem is that the experience of "realistic-ness" is entirely subjective, and neither you nor Max can possibly be qualified to dictate the terms or context of someone else's subjective experience.

It doesn't matter what they experience. They can experience it as a moon made of cheese and that won't change the fact that there was some amount of realism increase. The value each person places on the realism increase based their perception of it can very wildly. That there was a realism increase is set in stone.

The even bigger problem is bound up in the initial premise of this thread. Reality is characterized by an infinite number of variables from which complex phenomena emerge.

This is no problem at all. Realism =/= reality, so it doesn't have to take all of those, or even most of those into consideration. The fewer variables you account for, the smaller the realism increase.

 

[Sepulchrave II]

It doesn't matter what they experience.

Thanks for encapsulating your perspective.

 

[Maxperson]

Thanks for encapsulating your perspective.

Taking that out of context that way is really immature. Given your earlier responses, though, I suppose I should have expected that. My bad.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Taking that out of context that way is really immature. Given your earlier responses, though, I suppose I should have expected that. My bad.

As I read it, that was the big takeaway -- the rest of the 'context' was explaining this sentence. You've clearly said that you do not care what subjective experience on if an addition adds realism or not, because you can categorically say that there's an objective realism added outside of subjective opinion. Nothing immature happened here except maybe your reaction to having your thesis sentence quoted without your supporting sentences.

 

[Maxperson]

As I read it, that was the big takeaway -- the rest of the 'context' was explaining this sentence.

The context was critical. Out of context it sounds bad. In context it isn't at all.

You've clearly said that you do not care what subjective experience on if an addition adds realism or not, because you can categorically say that there's an objective realism added outside of subjective opinion.

That's a lie. What I said is that their subjective experience doesn't matter with regard to whether something adds realism or not, not that I don't care about their experiences. Out of context what it sounds like is that I don't care about their experiences.

 

[Ovinomancer]

The context was critical. Out of context it sounds bad. In context it isn't at all.



That's a lie. What I said is that their subjective experience doesn't matter with regard to whether something adds realism or not, not that I don't care about their experiences. Out of context what it sounds like is that I don't care about their experiences.

The context was critical. Out of context it sounds bad. In context it isn't at all.

The context doesn't do this, though.

That's a lie. What I said is that their subjective experience doesn't matter with regard to whether something adds realism or not, not that I don't care about their experiences. Out of context what it sounds like is that I don't care about their experiences.

Yes... that's what I said it said. Are you doing okay, Max?

 

[hawkeyefan]

The context was critical. Out of context it sounds bad. In context it isn't at all.



That's a lie. What I said is that their subjective experience doesn't matter with regard to whether something adds realism or not, not that I don't care about their experiences. Out of context what it sounds like is that I don't care about their experiences.

So what you're saying is that their experience doesn't matter....but you care about their experience?

 

[lowkey13]

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[Satyrn]

*To the extent it does, I hereby state to anyone reading that they win the internet always and forever!

Woot! I'm a winner!

. . . at least until the Internet Olympic Committee rules that I have to take humour suppression drugs to level the playing field. Ain't no way I'm doing that, so I'll have to forfeit.

 

[hawkeyefan]

So what you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between characterizing someone else's position in an attempt to better understand it and advance to conversation, and caricaturing someone else's position in order to score points on the internet for a game that doesn't exist?*

Hmmm..... I'm pretty sure that's not the case. And if that's not the case, why not ask Max questions about what he meant, instead of defending the juvenile use of a one-sentence out-of-context quote for an insult?


*To the extent it does, I hereby state to anyone reading that they win the internet always and forever!

So you're replying to a post where I asked Max to clarify what he's saying to tell me that I should ask Max to clarify what he's saying?

Not sure how you see what I asked as defending anyone, but I can assure you it wasn't.