D&D 5E The Pilosus, a player race with 6 Genders for your 5th edition Sci Fi setting

dwayne

Adventurer
I find it funny that people seem to know more about a fictional race that i created than the one who made them. It is like saying to god, hay that's not how it works when really he should know because well he made it. I promise, explanations and expansion of all that is this small and might add controversial race will be revealed at a later date when i am done with the races for players as a whole. Mean while please continue as this is very good material on my end and might even use a snip it or two to help fill in some of the cracks that i have been stuck on or not.
 

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Scott Graves

First Post
I find it funny that people seem to know more about a fictional race that i created than the one who made them. It is like saying to god, hay that's not how it works when really he should know because well he made it. I promise, explanations and expansion of all that is this small and might add controversial race will be revealed at a later date when i am done with the races for players as a whole. Mean while please continue as this is very good material on my end and might even use a snip it or two to help fill in some of the cracks that i have been stuck on or not.

I have never in my life considered an English Major to have value until today. Find one and have them help you with everything you write. At the very least refer to Weird Al's song "Word Crimes". Please. For the sanity of all.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I have never in my life considered an English Major to have value until today. Find one and have them help you with everything you write. At the very least refer to Weird Al's song "Word Crimes". Please. For the sanity of all.

English majors help you spell "Would you like fries with that".
 

Scott Graves

First Post
They can also help with such complex sentences as "You have given me too much money for the two dollar value meal. I have to talk with my manager for help with the math."
 

jayoungr

Legend
Supporter
I find it funny that people seem to know more about a fictional race that i created than the one who made them. It is like saying to god, hay that's not how it works when really he should know because well he made it. I promise, explanations and expansion of all that is this small and might add controversial race will be revealed at a later date when i am done with the races for players as a whole. Mean while please continue as this is very good material on my end and might even use a snip it or two to help fill in some of the cracks that i have been stuck on or not.
Don't take it personally. As [MENTION=6779196]Charlaquin[/MENTION] said upthread, it's just a touchy subject right now, and people are quick to assume you have a message, even though it sounds like that wasn't your intention.

(FWIW, I don't have a problem with imaginary alien biology for imaginary alien species.)
 

tglassy

Adventurer
I have no issues with an alien race with multiple genders either. I did want to point out the issues with having such a high birth rate, and the issues of having so many genders. More genders, especially 5, and having all of them needed for the reproductive process is very restricting on the species, which actually could be a contribution to them having such a high birth rate. If they don't "Marry" like humans do, and only all come together when it is time to mate (many creatures only mate when it is time), then reproduction would be fairly rare, and they would need a higher number of births all at once. So if you changed it so their reproductive cycle is more based on when one or more of them are in "heat", and it is only at certain times, then it might work.

Also, you would need to decide how much work it takes to raise the children. With 30 children born at once, 5 parents is not enough to keep them all taken care of if they are like humans. If they are more like other creatures, where they can walk and forage for their own food fairly quickly (horses and such can walk seconds after birth), then it becomes easier. You could also make them naturally not care for their children, like crocodiles or reptiles. They lay the eggs and leave them to their own devices. Not many survive, but some will. Another good reason to have a high number of births at once.

The main issue I have is if it really is a family unit, with five parents...I would not want to be those parents. I'd do away with the thought of "Marriage" at all, have them be a society that reproduces based on opportunity, not based on family units. Perhaps two of the genders tend to live together to actively raise the children, while a third gender typicaly lives alone and only comes to the others to reproduce, and the fourth and fifth...I don't know, play the role of aunts and uncles in the children's lives or something. But I don't see a five parent family doing well.

I'd also make the children either developed enough to take somewhat care of themselves when born, or so underdeveloped (like marsupials) that taking care of them until they are ready to go out on their own is extremely easy. With that many births, can you imagine five people having to care for 30 babies all at once, every day? It may be doable, but it would be a nightmare. You can also lower the number of children born at once, as well.
 

jasper

Rotten DM
I have never in my life considered an English Major to have value until today. Find one and have them help you with everything you write. At the very least refer to Weird Al's song "Word Crimes". Please. For the sanity of all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

here it is. And I one of the worst spellers here and have real trouble getting my point across. But Dwayne you are getting ticked at the people who are trying to help. And we will be snarky about helping you.
 

VelvetViolet

Adventurer
You're forgetting that the planet they were living on was so hostile to life, most chidren never reached maturity, and the adults died left and right. Only the strongest, and luckiest, actually survived. They needed the high birth rate in order to combat this and keep the species going. Out the thousands born, only a few would actually survive until adulthood, and considering there are animals who leave their young to themselves, it is possible that this is what Krogan did before they went off world. Once they had a means to keep all their children alive until adulthood, their population exploded. In a few hundred years they were swarming the galaxy.


It would be like i crocodiles somehow learned how to make sure all their eggs hatched and grew to maturity. Crocs lay up to 100 eggs at a time, but most die before reaching maturity. If they didn't, then the crocodile population would explode, prey would become scarce, and they would spread to find new prey. Literally no different.



No, this is the genophage. Krogan at the time of Mass Effect have not been able to have many children for a long time because of it. Most of their children are stillborn. So yeah, NOW they don't have a huge number of kids, but that's the whole point of the genophage. It contradicts nothing. it is literally the story.

It's also very difficult to infer any information by looking at a single slide.

The rest of your post is confusing, because we don't know how long it takes for a Krogan to reach maturity, but we do know they were able to be grown quickly to be soldiers for a war. That, itself, would suggest that they have an abnormally large breeding rate. And that suggests a fairly quick maturity rate. So you give evidence for them having high birth rate and quick maturity rate, but seem to be claiming that evidence shows the opposite. And I'm not sure what you're talking about them being child prodigies. They're an intelligent race that matures to adulthood much, much faster than humans do. By our standards yeah, they would be 'child prodigies'. They're easily as intelligent as any other race, they have engineers and scientists. And they piggyback off of other races.

I'm not saying there aren't inaccuracies in the game about fictional creatures, just that these arguments don't entirely follow.

Maybe I didn't articulate my arguments well enough. I'll try again:

The games repeatedly try to manufacture a moral dilemma where you're given a binary choice between curing the genophage or condemning the krogan to extinction. The dilemma being based on the assumption that krogans are inherently predisposed to breeding out of control. It's a disturbing neo-malthusian space man's burden type of deal that wouldn't be out of place in a Tom Kratman novel.

The logistics as described don't work. The krogans aren't biologically feasible. In fact, any population control dilemma like this doesn't seem feasible.

I'll describe this using the "r/K selection theory." It's been discredited but it's still a useful shorthand.

Essentially, a r-selected species produces a lot of offspring and invests zero parental care because most of those offspring won't live to reproduce. By contrast, a K-selected species produces a small number of offspring and invests parental care to ensure most live to reproduce.

With me so far?

The krogan are described as an r-selected species. The problem here is that it isn't feasible for an r-selected species to develop near-human intelligence. Why? Because things like language and culture and science need to be taught. The krogan should never have been able to develop sapience without a K-selection strategy.

Although the krogan are repeatedly claimed to be an r-selected species, what little we actually do see of their child-rearing practices does resemble a K-selected species. That is, they raise a small number of offspring who they instruct in language, culture and science. At the end of Mass Effect 3, we see a slide in which a krogan couple hold a baby after the genophage is cured. One baby, not a thousand.

It isn't physically possible for krogans to lay ~1000 eggs per year as they are stated to. An adult krogan is about 8 feet or so tall. A krogan newborn is about 2 feet tall. It isn't physically possible for a krogan woman to pop out a thousand of those two foot babies through her vagina every year, or approximately three births per day.

The writing contradicts itself depending on whether it wants you to be sympathetic toward the krogan or not. It rarely provides hard numbers but when it does those numbers are blatantly absurd.

I don't understand how this is so difficult to understand. The writers tried to pose a neo-malthusian population control dilemma. The problem is that the dilemma is physically impossible and relies on the player having no knowledge of the biological and mathematical science that it butchers.
 

tglassy

Adventurer
I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, but you do make some general assumptions that would negate your argument.

You state that an r-selected species would not gain sapience because this has to be taught, but who’s to say their primitive culture didn’t have their offspring live in the wild until they have grown to a point, and then welcome the survivors into the larger group. In a planet as hostile as they had, this would be a great way to weed out the weaker ones and only accept the stronger. When their learning got to the point where they figured out better ways to survive, using technology, more of the children would survive, and eventually they could have grown out of the need to weed out all the weak ones, and simply allowed all their children to survive.

You keep using a single picture to depict an entire culture, a slide showing them holding a Krogan baby swaddled. It’s one picture, and does not tell you how old the baby is, or how many siblings it has. Since we don’t know what Krogan birth looks like, whether it’s by egg or live, we don’t know that this is an actual Krogan newborn, or if it is weeks, or even months, old. The eggs could be much smaller, or the live birth could be more like marsupials, which are live birthed but start out smaller than a finger. The thing is, there is just too much information that is not given to make these kinds of blanket statements.

I agree that it’s highly unlikely a species like this would exist, but I do see it as being possible, simply by looking at our own egosystems. Take a species that has a high birth rate, like pigs, and put them in a place where their natural predators don’t exist, like Australia, and you wind up with a population explosion. Wild pigs are nuisance there, and this is the case for many animals when the ecosystem changes. We killed most of the wolves in the US, and now deer run rampant and their population is mostly unchecked, requiring hunting seasons just to lower their population. In certain places, the counties beg people to just shoot the deer in their yards, because the sheer number of them becomes a hazard for roadways. If they were left unchecked, they would grow and grow until there wasn’t enough food to support them all, and then many would starve as a way of controlling the population.

Just look at humanity. We’ve conquered the wild at this point. Most of our children survive to adulthood, and we no longer have the same threats we once did. Because of this, in a mere two hundred years we went from 1 billion on the planet to 7. We went from 6 Billion to 7 Billion in ten or fifteen years, simply because we learned how to combat some of our biggest threats using technology. It’s not unfeasible to think that an intelligent race who sees other planets as a means to help their population growth would rather go after those planets than allow their population to be controlled by starvation and/or birth control.
 

Scott Graves

First Post
Just look at humanity. We’ve conquered the wild at this point. Most of our children survive to adulthood, and we no longer have the same threats we once did. Because of this, in a mere two hundred years we went from 1 billion on the planet to 7. We went from 6 Billion to 7 Billion in ten or fifteen years, simply because we learned how to combat some of our biggest threats using technology. It’s not unfeasible to think that an intelligent race who sees other planets as a means to help their population growth would rather go after those planets than allow their population to be controlled by starvation and/or birth control.

The majority of that population is born to third world people with access to our medicine but with ideologies that promote high birth rates that evolved when they didn't have those antibiotics and medical procedures. If you count only the first world the birth rate is stable. It's the same reason in a game world you can't have clerics everywhere providing Cure Wounds and Cure Disease to everyone without those clerics preaching smaller family sizes and refusing to heal those who don't follow the New Word of the Gods. You'd be butt deep in people and not enough arable land to feed them on.

So
 

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