What is the essence of D&D

[Guest 6801328]

K? THXBYE!

See you in the post-apocalyptic thread....

 

[Zardnaar]

I was kind of startled that the example of this super-jump was used as an example. So 4e reduced this imaginary "Primacy of Magic" by...giving rogues magical powers? WTF?

But it's not magic!!! Makes no sense either but nvrmind.

 

[Imaro]

I was kind of startled that the example of this super-jump was used as an example. So 4e reduced this imaginary "Primacy of Magic" by...giving rogues magical powers? WTF?

Also an edition where anyone can cast magic by taking Ritual Caster.

 

[Maxperson]

That rarity wasnt because people really wanted to play a celibate bible banger

Correct. The rarity was because people panicked and incorrectly believed that they always needed a dedicated healer and/or lacked faith in the DM to know that there wasn't the maximum amount of healing when he designed encounters.

And people also didn't really want to play a mundane and humdrum game. The player of the fighter wasn't thrilled about his +3 plate and ring of regeneration because of the primacy of magic. He was thrilled because magic is just plain cool.

 

[Zardnaar]

Remember when rings if regeneration were the bee's knees?

 

[Arnwolf666]

Remember when rings if regeneration were the bee's knees?

Oh god yes.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Oh god yes.

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And I found mine inside the T-Rex (I think that was the dinosaur) in the original isle of Dread. I felt like a kid on Christmas morning. Everyone cheered for several minutes and the game came to a stop for a while. That’s why I prefer the finding of magic items over the just craft it or buy it type of games.

 

[Garthanos]

Personally I always felt by level 22 there is genre bending implied by the adversaries you meet this is where I bring up the nonsense of a normal man killing a house sized brilliant monster armored like a tank with his itty bitty sword .... and utterly human levels of ability (I can find people on youtube making the same attack rate with a bow as the highest level fighter... it isnt even vaguely heroic let alone... super heroic.)

 

[Zardnaar]

Oh god yes.

It's something I almost never handed out. In AD&D 2E there was a grand total of 2 holy avengers handed out.

 

[Zardnaar]

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And I found mine inside the T-Rex (I think that was the dinosaur) in the original isle of Dread. I felt like a kid on Christmas morning. Everyone cheered for several minutes and the game came to a stop for a while. That’s why I prefer the finding of magic items over the just craft it or buy it type of games.

That's D&D right there.

It's something I noticed playing 2E with modern players.

They found finding magic items more fun.
Might also be power level as well since 3E+ gated magic items behind levels. Finding a holy avenger level 6 to 8 wouldn't be unheard of.

In modern D&D a lot if the high end stuff you don't get to use. In AD&D they do so there's that aspect as well.