Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

[MarkB]

Also rey is a physically weak (without the force. Also that may be her grandfather's influence. He wasnt physically very strong. But he was one of the few characters faster than yoda) female (at least shes portrayed that way. Barely any muscle, small of frame like if blew in her direction shed crumple and not tall, soft looking, and female) who bests large numbers of males in physical contest practically without ever once acting so much as winded (climactic fights are exceptions. She dies get winded then. Strictly for dramatic effect but there is actually nothing particularly mary sue about that.)

Where are you getting this from? Rey isn't "portrayed" as physically weak - she's portrayed as someone who spends her mornings spelunking in Star Destroyers for spare parts, and her afternoons doing gruelling labour cleaning and restoring those parts, all in order to earn a literal subsistence wage, in a town where people will kill you and take your stuff as soon as look at you.

If you saw that and came away with "soft, weak female", that's on you and your own prejudices, not the character.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Where are you getting this from? Rey isn't "portrayed" as physically weak - she's portrayed as someone who spends her mornings spelunking in Star Destroyers for spare parts, and her afternoons doing gruelling labour cleaning and restoring those parts, all in order to earn a literal subsistence wage, in a town where people will kill you and take your stuff as soon as look at you.

If you saw that and came away with "soft, weak female", that's on you and your own prejudices, not the character.

Not by physical activity to be sure. No no. Im directly talking about visual/physical appearance. That is how shes portrayed in the way i was talking avout (weak).

Shes like palps. Really looks like she couod tear in half like a wet napkin. But her behavior and activities show otherwise.

It has nothing to do with me lol. She really does look like that. But i mean you can assume im prejudiced if you want. I know what i saw and what it looked like. Dont have to be prejudiced. Just not blind.

 

[Mallus]

Barely any muscle, small of frame like if blew in her direction shed crumple and not tall, soft looking, and female) who bests large numbers of males in physical contest practically without ever once acting so much as winded (climactic fights are exceptions.

Have you never seen a kung-fu movie with women fighters in them? There are a lot. Some are classics. Is every killer martial arts lady a Mary Sue?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Neither luke nor anakin are mary sues.

Rey is.

All three have phenominal force talents. Makes the most sense with ani and the least sense with rey. But shes got'em.

Ani and luke (especially ani) have flaws. Real actual flaws. Not fake flaws that are really strictly and exclusivelt good things.
Rey has the basic fake mary sue flaws that mary sues tend to have.

Also rey is a physically weak (without the force. Also that may be her grandfather's influence. He wasnt physically very strong. But he was one of the few characters faster than yoda) female (at least shes portrayed that way. Barely any muscle, small of frame like if blew in her direction shed crumple and not tall, soft looking, and female) who bests large numbers of males in physical contest practically without ever once acting so much as winded (climactic fights are exceptions. She dies get winded then. Strictly for dramatic effect but there is actually nothing particularly mary sue about that.)

They arent even close. Rey is a mary sue and luke/ani are not.

You seem to really just have a problem with the fact the hero is female this time.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Where are you getting this from? Rey isn't "portrayed" as physically weak - she's portrayed as someone who spends her mornings spelunking in Star Destroyers for spare parts, and her afternoons doing gruelling labour cleaning and restoring those parts, all in order to earn a literal subsistence wage, in a town where people will kill you and take your stuff as soon as look at you.

If you saw that and came away with "soft, weak female", that's on you and your own prejudices, not the character.

Good point. It requires actively trying to interpret the character that way.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Have you never seen a kung-fu movie with women fighters in them? There are a lot. Some are classics. Is every killer martial arts lady a Mary Sue?

No. But most of them are. Thays why i only like a couple of them. Only a couple are characters that took a bit of thought beyond "der...bewbs and punches hehe" on the writer's effort and arent completely cheap.

So yeah. There are only a few of those that i dont think are pretty dumb. Very few of them are actually very muscled. Very few of them look remotely believeable. Really ruins suspension of disbelief.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

No. But most of them are. Thays why i only like a couple of them. Only a couple are characters that took a bit of thought beyond "der...bewbs and punches hehe" on the writer's effort and arent completely cheap.

So yeah. There are only a few of those that i dont think are pretty dumb. Very few of them are actually very muscled. Very few of them look remotely believeable. Really ruins suspension of disbelief.

Most of them are actual martial artists. Ming-na Wen doesn’t look ripped, but is an actual accomplished martial artist.

Seriously maybe examine your own biases a bit.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

You seem to really just have a problem with the fact the hero is female this time.

Nah. Thats just your perception. I just have a higher standard for female heros than most people have. It makes me unable to take a lot of male heros seriously too actually. For instance, i have a love hate relationship with batman because in some ways hes an interesting character but in other ways he just makes me want to head desk myself into a coma. He is far too unrealistically strong.

 

[Maxperson]

No. But most of them are. Thays why i only like a couple of them. Only a couple are characters that took a bit of thought beyond "der...bewbs and punches hehe" on the writer's effort and arent completely cheap.

So yeah. There are only a few of those that i dont think are pretty dumb. Very few of them are actually very muscled. Very few of them look remotely believeable. Really ruins suspension of disbelief.

Wiry strength is a thing. Not everyone who is strong, looks strong.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Most of them are actual martial artists. Ming-na Wen doesn’t look ripped, but is an actual accomplished martial artist.

Seriously maybe examine your own biases a bit.

No. You ned to reexamine. Not i.

1. Other than rey i named no names. Never stated specifics of who it applies to. So the actress you threw out there? Whatever. I made no comment about her. Frankly i didnt look up who she was either.

2. This is going to come as a shock, but, an actor/actress being an IRL martial artist doesnt really "move the needle" much for me. Sorry bud.