Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

[Son of the Serpent]

Wiry strength is a thing. Not everyone who is strong, looks strong.

Yeah. Im aware of the fact that you can have unusual percentages of slow or fast twich. And also that you can have unusual muscle densities.

There are still minimums that come into play. They (most male and female actor/actresses) are well below them. FAR.

 

[Maxperson]

Yeah. Im aware of the fact that you can have unusual percentages of slow or fast twich. And also that you can have unusual muscle densities.

There are still minimums that come into play. They (most male and female actor/actresses) are well below them. FAR.

A buddy of mine was moving when we were in our early 20's. A 70 year old friend of his grandfather's helped him move. This guy was 70 and very thin. My buddy told me in awe how this guy casually lifted a couch by himself, threw it over one shoulder, and carried it with ease supported by only one hand.

 

[Vael]

Accusations of Mary Sue-ness is the original ethics in game journalism. It's a dog whistle and most of the time is not an argument in good faith.

 

[Imaculata]

I can definitely see how people might see Rey as a Mary Sue character, because it doesn't feel like she has to do much of anything to earn the trust and respect of other characters around her. She is highly skilled at various things (which is normal for a main character), but she seems to have relatively few flaws to balance that out. She is a little bit too perfect. But a lot of people felt that about Luke too when the original trilogy came out.

However, at least we saw Luke train with Yoda and fail to defeat vader. Empire Strikes Back does a lot to course correct and make him more of a flawed hero. Rey's backflip across a Tie Fighter feels a bit out of left field in comparison. Plus it is still not explained how she was able to mind trick the Stormtrooper in The Force Awakens without any knowledge of the force. Such unexplained miraculous abilities undermine her credibility as a character. I think it's this very problem that makes a lot of people refer to her as a Mary Sue character. But regardless of what label you want to put on it, the weak writing is certainly there.

Accusations of Mary Sue-ness is the original ethics in game journalism. It's a dog whistle and most of the time is not an argument in good faith.

I disagree. I think it is simply the label people decide to put on a problem that I think we all recognize with her character. There are aspects of her character that simply aren't developed very well.

 

[Mallus]

No. But most of them are. Thays why i only like a couple of them. Only a couple are characters that took a bit of thought beyond "der...bewbs and punches hehe" on the writer's effort and arent completely cheap.

I think we're thinking about different kung-fu movies.

Really ruins suspension of disbelief.

I’ve accepted Tom Cruise as a badass action movie star for over three decades now. In fact, he’s only getting more badass as he sails through middle age. I can accept Daisy Ridley. She’s got the height advantage!

 

[Vael]

Calling Rey "too perfect" and a "Mary Sue", are just ways to dismiss her as a character, because it's such nebulous BS that willfully ignores both her backstory and the nature of the Force. As I said, it's a dog whistle most of the time, because it's an accusation leveled at every female character that dares to show independence and competence.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

A buddy of mine was moving when we were in our early 20's. A 70 year old friend of his grandfather's helped him move. This guy was 70 and very thin. My buddy told me in awe how this guy casually lifted a couch by himself, threw it over one shoulder, and carried it with ease supported by only one hand.

Thats not that surprising to me. Most 70 year old thin men cant do that but plenty can.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I think we're thinking about different kung-fu movies.


I’ve accepted Tom Cruise as a badass action movie star for over three decades now. In fact, he’s only getting more badass as he sails through middle age. I can accept Daisy Ridley. She’s got the height advantage!

See now, this actually shows that its not a gender thing for me. Ive just been innaccurately assessed.

I dont think there is any movie ANY in which ive been able to take tom cruise seriously as a martial artist. It all looks so ridiculous.

We literally just have different cut off limits for suspension of disbelief. Its not sexism. I just am not very forgiving of bodily physicality being stretched (unless something makes it make a lot of sense. Ie the force or alien anatomy, but i dont give very many passes)

 

[Morrus]

Oh, god, have we reached the Rey Mary Sue stage of the conversation now? Well, we managed 15 or 16 pages without it, which has to be some kind of record. I guess we all know exactly how the rest of the conversation goes now, word for word, before it gets closed.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Thats not that surprising to me. Most 70 year old thin men cant do that but plenty can.

But a 20 year old fit woman...using a finesse weapon...who has lived as a scavenger and learnt to defend herself, that’s just too wild.

Yeah, nothing to do with gender bias.