How would you change the new Star Wars trilogy

[GreyLord]

That was introduced in the prequels. It was never about that in the original trilogy. It was all about Vader's move back to the light side of the force and saving Luke.

Once again, depends on what you consider the storyline or not.

If you consider the creator's intent, the prequels would be part of the entire story.

Of course, if you discount the prequels and ONLY look at the Original Trilogy, it still is more than that.

Luke wasn't supposed to simply change his father to the Light side...that was Luke's belief that he could change his father, but that wasn't the intent of the original trilogy.

In the original trilogy it was a fairy tale of the good guys (rebellion) vs. the bad guys (evil empire).

In this, the entire intent was to defeat the empire, and like all nice fairy tales, that means you beat the big bad guy and everything else falls after you defeat him. Thus, Luke wasn't supposed to just defeat his father, but defeat the emperor too. In fact, defeating the emperor and the empire was the entire focus of that trilogy if you don't include the prequels.

If you just only look at the first movie, it was at least destroying the big bad evil super weapon that Darth Vader was on...not even turning Vader to the Light. It was still defeating the Empire (at least in the destruction of the Death Star) after saving the princess from it.

Vader turning but not defeating the emperor or the empire (thus having the rebellion defeated or destroyed) kind of leaves that as a hollow unfulfilling trilogy.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

What I got from the OT was that the consensus among Jedi was that sentiments were bad, and once you turned to the dark side there was no coming back, so Vader was no longer Luke's father. But, they were proved wrong by hot-headed Luke who showed them that sentiments were GOOD since it prompted Vader to return to the Light side not only because it would save his son from death but also because it would save his daughter from BEING TURNED into a Sith (since Palpatine decided to off Luke once he learnt about Leia) and that redemption was possible.

The PT added the idea of balance in the force and Anakin being prophecized to remove the Sith, so it added to the story.

The ST added to the idea of being redeemed to the Light Side by sentiments, but neglected to take into account the development of the PT. It's like they built something to be a trilogy expanding on the OT (in a weird, 6-part film going 4-9) and not on a 9-part work.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Once again, depends on what you consider the storyline or not.

If you consider the creator's intent, the prequels would be part of the entire story.

Of course, if you discount the prequels and ONLY look at the Original Trilogy, it still is more than that.

Luke wasn't supposed to simply change his father to the Light side...that was Luke's belief that he could change his father, but that wasn't the intent of the original trilogy.

In the original trilogy it was a fairy tale of the good guys (rebellion) vs. the bad guys (evil empire).

In this, the entire intent was to defeat the empire, and like all nice fairy tales, that means you beat the big bad guy and everything else falls after you defeat him. Thus, Luke wasn't supposed to just defeat his father, but defeat the emperor too. In fact, defeating the emperor and the empire was the entire focus of that trilogy if you don't include the prequels.

If you just only look at the first movie, it was at least destroying the big bad evil super weapon that Darth Vader was on...not even turning Vader to the Light. It was still defeating the Empire (at least in the destruction of the Death Star) after saving the princess from it.

Vader turning but not defeating the emperor or the empire (thus having the rebellion defeated or destroyed) kind of leaves that as a hollow unfulfilling trilogy.

Only if Anakin was actually the prophesied chosen one. Might have been Rey, or Ben Solo. The actual prophecy wasn't revealed, just that one existed and it said mumble, mumble balance to the Force, oh and here's Anakin!

 

[billd91]

If you consider the creator's intent, the prequels would be part of the entire story.

Pfft. Pure George Lucas revisionism there.

 

[Imaculata]

If you consider the creator's intent, the prequels would be part of the entire story.

I only consider the creators' (plural) original intent, not George Lucas' later revisionist intent. Whatever garbage George added to the mythology with his prequels later is irrelevant.

Everything you need to understand Vader's redemption is in Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi. His conflict, his turn and his redemption at the end by showing up as a force ghost (thus completing his step to the light side of the force).

 

[ART!]

Do we ever see Palpatine's spouse?

My headcanon is that Rey is a clone, created by Palpatine, but my guess is that the Senator sired some illegitimate children while he was in office.

Or he just made kids using the Force, like he did Anakin - or so the theory goes. That's what I'm going with.

 

[Anoth]

Well. It’s up to baby Yoda now to bring balance to the force and save the franchise. It will take another 50 years within the setting to do it. I just hope we still like him once he starts to talk. And if we don’t want to kill him once he becomes his races equivalent to a teenager.

 

[GreyLord]

Pfft. Pure George Lucas revisionism there.

It may be. I can see the idea that it very well could be. There is some strong evidence out there that Lucas changed quite a number of things, added things, and mixed it up completely from when he first started and throughout the process. He also has interviews where he would say one thing in one, and awhile later contradict himself by saying something the exact opposite.

I only consider the creators' (plural) original intent, not George Lucas' later revisionist intent. Whatever garbage George added to the mythology with his prequels later is irrelevant.

Everything you need to understand Vader's redemption is in Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi. His conflict, his turn and his redemption at the end by showing up as a force ghost (thus completing his step to the light side of the force).

As I said first, many...but not all have the idea I posted first.

Ironically, the post you responded to (the second post on the topic) was NOT really about the prequels, only posting it as beginning option. A Majority of the rest of it was explaining how Vader's redemption isn't actually the central theme of the Original trilogy without the prequels being tossed into the mix. In fact, it's a secondary theme that is not even introduced in the first movie.

As, I also pointed out, your idea is actually NOT what the trilogy is about either, or the main theme that was presented from the first one onwards. It is a secondary theme that is presented (or...is that revisionist as well???) in the Empire Strikes Back. (edit: though even that is a tenuous stretch as we are merely introduced to the idea that He is Luke's Father...the real idea of trying to redeem him doesn't even really appear until the THIRD movie).

The initial theme is the good guys fighting the bad guys and winning...or the Rebellion against the Big Bad Empire.

The goal was that the Rebellion would triumph over the Empire. Only Luke really cared about the personal storyline of Vader, the rest of the cast and the story was more about the struggles of the good guys overall against the forces of the Empire.

With that, Vader had to be defeated at some point of the Trilogy (being the main Villain introduced at the beginning of it) and the Emperor most likely as well. Whether it is by Vader turning, being killed, or however, is irrelevant to the overall picture. It is only that he and his forces of evil are defeated by the good guys in the fairy tale land that Star Wars takes place in.

 

[Anoth]

It was a desperate ploy because they needed a badass villain at the last minute after screwing up the last 2 movies. Bringing the emperor back was not part of some grand plan with story build up it was just like hey Superman is here now and lex luthor is behind it. Or like a scooby doo episode where they unmask the villain at the end of the episode.

 

[ART!]

More R2-D2.