D&D 5E Survey: What should the next Magic the Gathering Campaign Setting be?

[Urriak Uruk]

So you just don't use the same title.

And you couldn't do what they did with Chult to Kara Tur, Shu Lung along is bigger and more populated then Chult! There are 10 main region in Kara Tur and more nations.

Its rich and interesting representation of an Asian Setting, its more diverse then most and it comes baked in with a host of advantages that Tarkir or a new untested setting doesn't and their is a huge opportunity to make it even better!

Still perhaps later I will make a seperate thread for Kara Tur so I don't keep high jacking this one.

The title is just the most obvious example of why the non-European inspired settings made in the 1980-90s would require a redesign to be published today.

And I really don't want to get in an argument with you about whether another setting is better than FR, because I know nothing I say will ever convince you.

I'll reiterate, that Wizards hasn't published an FR guide since the SCAG in 2015. They don't seem interested in publishing another, especially since they give us FR gazetteers every year in the adventure books.

I know you don't agree that's right of them to do, but it's been the reality since 2015, and there is no hint that is changing. Instead, we've gotten 4 setting books in the last three years; 2 for MtG, 1 from a very popular 3rd party, and the last is a remake of the most recently developed setting.

For that reason, I think Tarkir (a setting that MtG may possibly return to) is far likelier for a book than a region of FR. It's not the likeliest (I think other MtG settings are more likely before Tarkir), but if it's between the two the choice seems clear.

 

[jayoungr]

Curse of Strahd establishes a temple where the Dark Powers can sort of be confronted. They really are more evil vestiges of entities, and don't really have personalities (or much motives either).

There is a case to be made that the vestiges in the Amber Temple are not the same as the Dark Powers:


That said, it is still true that whatever the Dark Powers are, they are the ones who canonically created the demiplane of Ravenloft.

(Except in my game world, of course, where you can get to Barovia just by taking a normal road and it shows up on maps and everything.)

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

This is fun, because if we follow the same critera then I could complain about the vampires with Spanish-conquerors look from Ixalan. Maybe some decades in the future somebody will say this was Hispanophobia. Or the inquisition in Castilla, the Spanish ersatz of "7h Sea".

 

[Urriak Uruk]

This is fun, because if we follow the same critera then I could complain about the vampires with Spanish-conquerors look from Ixalan. Maybe some decades in the future somebody will say this was Hispanophobia. Or the inquisition in Castilla, the Spanish ersatz of "7h Sea".

Not even close to the same thing.

 

[Parmandur]

This is fun, because if we follow the same critera then I could complain about the vampires with Spanish-conquerors look from Ixalan. Maybe some decades in the future somebody will say this was Hispanophobia. Or the inquisition in Castilla, the Spanish ersatz of "7h Sea".

The Black Legend and anti-Catholic weirdness isn't cool either, no.

Not even close to the same thing.

It kind of is, though: bad either way.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

The Black Legend and anti-Catholic weirdness isn't cool either, no.



It kind of is, though: bad either way.

Oh come on. The Inquisition and Conquistadors were pretty bad from a non-biased look at history. Saying they are, and publishing fantasy villains that mimics that badness, in no way equates to "Hispanophobia."

That is a far cry from the racism that continues (right now, if you pay attention to the news at all) against Asians.

 

[Parmandur]

Oh come on. The Inquisition and Conquistadors were pretty bad from a non-biased look at history. Saying they are, and publishing fantasy villains that mimics that badness, in no way equates to "Hispanophobia."

That is a far cry from the racism that continues (right now, if you pay attention to the news at all) against Asians.

Not going to go to bat for the Inquisition nor the Conquistadors, but the propeganda of the Black Legend is a powerful force in the English speaking world, and is indeed very, very much the same thing: see how Latinos are treated in this country to this day. Ideas matter, narratives matter.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Not going to go to bat for the Inquisition nor the Conquistadors, but the propeganda of the Black Legend is a powerful force in the English speaking world, and is indeed very, very much the same thing: see how Latinos are treated in this country to this day. Ideas matter, narratives matter.

No it's not. In no way does pointing out that the Inquisition was horrible somehow lead to the mistreatment of Latinos.

I mean, I live in the U.S. There is a lot of mistreatment and racism against Latin Americans here, but not once has anyone used the Inquisition as an excuse for that mistreatment.

Yes, ideas and narratives matter. But you are equating several very different groups as if they are being equally mistreated, or even more ridiculously, equating criticism of one group (Inquisition) as leading to an entirely different one (Latin Americans). Most Latin Americans perfectly understand, and agree, that Conquistadors were bad! They aren't related!

 

[Tonguez]

No it's not. In no way does pointing out that the Inquisition was horrible somehow lead to the mistreatment of Latinos.

I mean, I live in the U.S. There is a lot of mistreatment and racism against Latin Americans here, but not once has anyone used the Inquisition as an excuse for that mistreatment.

the greater irony of linking the Black legend to treatment of Latin Americans is of course that the Black Legend largerly arose precisely to gain the support of Latin Americans against the Spanish by portraying the North European/English colonist in America to be more benevolent.

However this discussion may be veering too closely to politics....

 

[Parmandur]

No it's not. In no way does pointing out that the Inquisition was horrible somehow lead to the mistreatment of Latinos.

I mean, I live in the U.S. There is a lot of mistreatment and racism against Latin Americans here, but not once has anyone used the Inquisition as an excuse for that mistreatment.

Yes, ideas and narratives matter. But you are equating several very different groups as if they are being equally mistreated, or even more ridiculously, equating criticism of one group (Inquisition) as leading to an entirely different one (Latin Americans). Most Latin Americans perfectly understand, and agree, that Conquistadors were bad! They aren't related!

Look, I was agreeing with you about Oriental Adventures, which was cringey. Anti-Hispanic stuff like in Seven Seas is much the same, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't there (going into detail there would be way out in the weeds about current politics and propaganda campaigns).

Suffice it to say, relying on lazy caricatures based on a propagandized half-history is a problem in any case.