Pathfinder 2E Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank

[BryonD]

Everything is grasping at straws though.

Not everything is equivalent.
Pointing to the lack of evidence of growth is not at all in the same tier as pinning all your hopes on players who are completely refusing to play now but will suddenly send the needle surging up after the APG comes out. It is disingenuous to equate the two.

Heck, the simple fact that you are looking for that subset to make a difference is a much bigger negative indicator than the hope of it working is a positive.

 

[Bravesteel25]

I'm sure it has already been said, but it is telling that 3PP are not jumping on the PF2 wagon. Some are continuing to produce projects for PF1 or they are discontinuing Pathfinder support altogether.

 

[JFranklin3000]

I'm sure it has already been said, but it is telling that 3PP are not jumping on the PF2 wagon. Some are continuing to produce projects for PF1 or they are discontinuing Pathfinder support altogether.

Most 3PP have moved to 5e. And who can blame them the market there is currently much bigger. Most of what I am seeing for PF1 or 2 3PP support is 5e products that also have PF rules.

 

[Bravesteel25]

Most 3PP have moved to 5e. And who can blame them the market there is currently much bigger. Most of what I am seeing for PF1 or 2 3PP support is 5e products that also have PF rules.

You aren't wrong. I haven't seen a single 3PP product that was both 5E AND PF2 yet. That's more what I'm getting at. It seems 3PP don't see it to be worth the effort, which may mean that Paizo's number two spot in the market might fade away beneath them.

I like PF2. The table I am playing at is having a great time with it, but if it poofed out of existence tomorrow, I think we would all just shrug our shoulders and play 5E. Not a great place for Paizo to be in, honestly.

 

[JFranklin3000]

Not everything is equivalent.
Pointing to the lack of evidence of growth is not at all in the same tier as pinning all your hopes on players who are completely refusing to play now but will suddenly send the needle surging up after the APG comes out. It is disingenuous to equate the two.

Heck, the simple fact that you are looking for that subset to make a difference is a much bigger negative indicator than the hope of it working is a positive.

But when all we have is one online retailer, who may of may not have been shipping the product for the last several weeks it doesn't give me much confidence that that tells us anything real. I have seen anecdotally about as many people saying I won't ever play PF2 as I have seen I am waiting for more options to switch. But as I said anecdotally so nothing real there either.

Unfortunately, the only ones who really know how it is going is Paizo and they won't really say anything until it is a real failure.

 

[darjr]

Not globally but I think there are three sets of folks that’ll know. Distribution, retail, and conventions.

 

[JFranklin3000]

Not globally but I think there are three sets of folks that’ll know. Distribution, retail, and conventions.

I say only Paizo, because there online sales are private, so they are the only one that has the whole picture.

 

[BryonD]

But when all we have is one online retailer, who may of may not have been shipping the product for the last several weeks it doesn't give me much confidence that that tells us anything real. I have seen anecdotally about as many people saying I won't ever play PF2 as I have seen I am waiting for more options to switch. But as I said anecdotally so nothing real there either.

Unfortunately, the only ones who really know how it is going is Paizo and they won't really say anything until it is a real failure.

Again, this is just a repeat of the same song. There is nothing to suggest success. There is a lot more than "just one retailer" to take less than positive information away from. You can poo-poo on each individual indication. But if you don't look at a series of signs all pointing in the same general direction as indicative of an underlying driver, then you have a good chance of having the future let you down.

 

[BryonD]

I say only Paizo, because there online sales are private, so they are the only one that has the whole picture.

In your opinion, does this apply to Hussar's assessment of PF as well as your current assessment of PF2E?

 

[JFranklin3000]

In your opinion, does this apply to Hussar's assessment of PF as well as your current assessment of PF2E?

I mean Paizo sales have always had a big black hole that is their direct sales. As far as I know those aren't reported anywhere and probably never will be. Applies to anything of their's that is available on their website.