MichaelSomething
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Ya'll remember the time people were calling 4th "anime"? I do...
man I don't want to throw a fireball at him, he did some actual research and while I might not 100% agree with everyone's take they all bring up some very good points to consider when thinking about Asian stereotypes and racism. the people trying to drown out actual Asian opinions though...OP:
You need not be embarrassed. Thank you for speaking from your heart.
As to being frightened? I'm writing from the bottom of Page 1 and I already see folks preparing to cast Fireballs at each other (and maybe you). I understand your trepidation and reluctance. But you still are right to speak.
yeah I'm fuckin tired of "anime" being used as shorthand for "this is too exciting/stylized for my liking".Ya'll remember the time people were calling 4th "anime"? I do...
Yeah, the “stylized = anime” nonsense makes my eyes roll so hard I can almost see my brain.yeah I'm fuckin tired of "anime" being used as shorthand for "this is too exciting/stylized for my liking".I'm reminded of "this milk is too spicy" memes tbh.I was surprised to see people degrade Wayne Reynolds, one of my favorite fantasy artists, as being too anime, like are you kidding me?
If you’re so worried that removing OA from sale is going to harm people as the LGBTQIA community has been harmed by censorship, maybe explain who you think would be harmed and how instead of just drawing false equivalences.
Why not?I would not remove prior products because of it.
But I would not include Vistani that have stereotypes of the Roma without careful thought and consultation with someone familiar with those issues .... moving forward.
For me it’s not a question of principles, it’s that I don’t find OA racist. Sure, the name is anachronistic and more than a little tone deaf, with some ugly baggage. But that was true back when it released in the mid-1980s. So I think it’s long past time to rename OA, and as long the replacement isn’t something like Inscrutable Adventures, we’re good (and now the odds that I run a campaign parodying East Asian stereotypes called exactly that are better than 50/50).I'm still not sure what are the principles at play on the side arguing against taking down OA.
3 is logistical. I don't know the status on translations, but don't doubt that WotC would make it happen if if they thought the money was there.
I’m sorry, when did I say any such thing?No. Let me explain this one more time.
You came and completely missed the point. In effect, you said that a person defending a principle (freedom of expression) is, in effect, either racist, or doesn't understand what racism is.
What jargon? I’ve been using pretty plain-English terms throughout this conversation.Saying what I mean in understandable terms is something I actively strive for.Moreover, you denigrate the very real lives of other people by using loading jargon.
What on earth are you talking about? It seems like you’re trying to suggest I don’t actively support LGBTQIA rights through meaningful praxis, but I don’t see how anything I’ve said would indicate that? I do, by the way.Do you know what is speaking real truth to power? It's not calling for banning a book because you think it's racist. It's supporting the rights of same-sex couples to adopt in the Deep South when the law is against them. It's speaking up and taking action to support a trans teen go to a prom when the school district won't recognize their identity. It's hearing people try to shout you down and deny you because ... they don't believe your speech has worth, because they have found some loophole.
So you fight. You fight because you know that there is a principle- that they cannot stop the speech, no matter how much they might disagree with it.
And you hold on that, that lodestar, that firmament of belief. Because you know it's right.
And in the end, you get the reward. You see equality win out, because you spoke for it. Because people like you didn't decide to silence people like me.
Yeah, great, progress has been made and I am with you in celebrating that. There is still more work to be done though.And you see it reflected in the game- that products in D&D now reflect all sorts of diversity, that things I could not imagine 40 years ago are now common, and that WoTC can release products that reflect a rich and varied tapestry of races, genders, and, yes, sexual orientations.
I don’t disparage free speech at all. I get the impression that you are very confused about what positions I hold.So I am not going to turn around and use the same tactics that were used against me. Free speech made lives better, and it will win out. It made the game better, and it made the world better. Because of this principle that you disparage, D&D and TTRPGs are so much more welcoming than they used to be.
When have I done any such thing?That is all I have to say, and I am done with you and your censorship and your attempts to tar basic principles of free speech by equating it with censorship.
I don’t disagree with that.Defending the rights of others to speak has never meant that you agree with what they are saying.
The vast majority of people agree that the world is round. Do the vast majority agree that D&D is built on colonialist assumptions?
(By the way, I personally think that D&D has colonialist assumptions, although my solution is less to get rid of those but to broaden the scope of the game, thus this thread).
Had anyone watched all 24 hours of this YouTube critique?