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Thirteenspades

Great Wyrm
Actually, the "Luminous being" is a wink and a nod to the DM. Or at least that was my undersanding

The World Serpent (in 4e) is a primal spirit (similar in strength to a deity), in 1e it was monster and equivalent to a greater god. Not sure about 2e and 3e.

I am not familiar with Chaos, Father of All, is that your creation?. Mythic Tiamat fits the description pretty well though (also not a D&D thing though).

In my personal cosmos nothing can "naturally" get above an Overgod. Only one entity has managed to break through that barrier and it only achieved it through great sacrifice (three becoming one).
Chaos is from Dragonlance. Also, people would classify Ao as the DM too but even he has a master. Ao rebelled against LB so LB isn't omnipotent. And I believe LB can't control the denizens of the far realm since neither can Ao, so the ruler of the far realm could be greater than LB. I read on FR wiki that scholars speculated (aka its true) that LB is the world serpent. Ahriman, Jezirian, and many other greater gods are considered aspects of LB/ world serpent so it must be extremely powerful.
 

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dave2008

Legend
Chaos is from Dragonlance. Also, people would classify Ao as the DM too but even he has a master. Ao rebelled against LB so LB isn't omnipotent. And I believe LB can't control the denizens of the far realm since neither can Ao, so the ruler of the far realm could be greater than LB. I read on FR wiki that scholars speculated (aka its true) that LB is the world serpent. Ahriman, Jezirian, and many other greater gods are considered aspects of LB/ world serpent so it must be extremely powerful.
Don't believe everything you read on wikis ;)

The concept of the Far Realm as a place/space/plane/reality is relatively new in D&D or should I say AD&D. I am pretty sure it wasn't a thing when Dragonlance started. And dragonlance has always been a little different with its deities (the only setting where Tiamat is a greater god). Regardless, D&D lore is so convoluted that it is really whatever you want. I mean technically LB hasn't been mentioned since 2e or 3e? Definitly not in 4e or 5e, it could not be a thing anymore. On the other hand, the World Serpent was a thing in 4e, and it definitely was not LB.

Then there is Gary's take on deities which is different.

And we also shouldn't forget that D&D handled things completely differently with no gods but "Immortals" that take the place of them.

So really, for 5e it is whatever you want as so little has been updated there isn't a "canon" answer for most of this. The only "official" thing is there are greater and lesser gods. Interesting, MOoT gives some more definition to what gods (I assume they are greater gods) can do) are capable of.

Personally, I only use canon when and were it benefits my ideas. I basically assume all D&D lore and mythology is only partially correct at best. It is the speculation of highly flawed "scholars" after all.*

*PS 4e was great about taking this approach, making all the lore nebulous and a particular point of view, not necessarily fact.
 

Thirteenspades

Great Wyrm
There really isn't any classification above greater god in this system. In general CR 40 is supposed be a soft cap (max for players) with a few beings getting past this. Primordials can have higher and lower CRs, the same with Eldritch titans. Tiamat and Bahamut should be reclassified and Tharzidun only passed CR 40 when he was "empowered" and he is currently only CR 31.

However, traditionally in D&D you had a loose Hierarchy that sometimes included more powerful entities as follows:

Overgod
Eldergod

Greater god
Intermediate god
Lesser god
Demigod

Ao is the only Overgod I know of, but there should be others (possibly Io). In the system I am currently working on (not this thread), there are two more levels:

Paramount (working title)
Superlunary (working title)
Overgod
Eldergod
Greater god
Intermediate god
Lesser god
Demigod

Currently I don't have any Superlunary entities and only one Paramount.
Zeromus from Final Fantasy IV sounds like he would fit the Superlunary description.
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dave2008

Legend
Zeromus from Final Fantasy IV sounds like he would fit the Superlunary description.
From the link you provided it sounds like it was defeated by mortals. That would put it in the archfiend / intermediate god level, somewhere between CR 31-34 I would guess, like a demon prince / archdevil (in this system, not RAW).
 

Thirteenspades

Great Wyrm
From the link you provided it sounds like it was defeated by mortals. That would put it in the archfiend / intermediate god level, somewhere between CR 31-34 I would guess, like a demon prince / archdevil (in this system, not RAW).
Ahh, but one of the members of the party can summon Bahamut to rain legendary meteors of fire upon enemies!
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Thirteenspades

Great Wyrm
From the link you provided it sounds like it was defeated by mortals. That would put it in the archfiend / intermediate god level, somewhere between CR 31-34 I would guess, like a demon prince / archdevil (in this system, not RAW).
When they say on the wiki that Cecil was a knight, it would be better to say Paladin, Cecil was originally a Dark Knight (and Captain of the "air force" until he was redeemed and became a Paladin.
 

insanity_rocks

Villager
Greetings everyone! 👋

I just found this thread while searching for a Talona stat block. Looks like I found the right place. :)

I'd like to try my hand at creating a stat block, but I'm no good at it - for me it's more "art" than "science". When I get my stat block done can I post it here for review and comments?

Thanks, in advance!
 

dave2008

Legend
Greetings everyone! 👋

I just found this thread while searching for a Talona stat block. Looks like I found the right place. :)

I'd like to try my hand at creating a stat block, but I'm no good at it - for me it's more "art" than "science". When I get my stat block done can I post it here for review and comments?

Thanks, in advance!
Yes, you can attach it to your post. However, if you want me to post it with the rest of the epic monsters on the first page. I will need to review it and you can make any corrections (if needed) and then I will need you to use my template to get it in the correct format. If that sounds good, I can send you the template (just DM me your email address).
 

insanity_rocks

Villager
Yes, you can attach it to your post. However, if you want me to post it with the rest of the epic monsters on the first page. I will need to review it and you can make any corrections (if needed) and then I will need you to use my template to get it in the correct format. If that sounds good, I can send you the template (just DM me your email address).

That does sound good! Thanks! - just one thing... how do I DM you in this forum :D Is it "Start Conversation"?

I'm not a regular visitor :-/
 

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