D&D 5E Aura of Life, Aura of Vitality and Disciple of Life

[Nikosandros]

How does Disciple of Life interact with those two spells? Is the bonus added each time the spell cures HP? I think it does, but I would like to have confirmation, especially for Aura of Life, since the healing is not triggered by an action from the caster (Disciple of Life states that the bonus applies whenever you use a spell [...]).

 

[cbwjm]

I'd say it is added going off the text you quoted. It's whenever you use a spell not whenever you cast a spell which seems to me that no matter when you activate the healing of a spell, it gets the bonus.

 

[FrogReaver]

IMO it's DM call. I believe sage advice compendium and tweets say it works with those spells. However, the wording of disciple of life leaves alot up to interpretation. Such as what does it mean for you to use a spell of first level or higher. I interpret that as meaning you must be casting a spell of first level or higher to get the effect.

 

[cbwjm]

IMO it's DM call. I believe sage advice compendium and tweets say it works with those spells. However, the wording of disciple of life leaves alot up to interpretation. Such as what does it mean for you to use a spell of first level or higher. I interpret that as meaning you must be casting a spell of first level or higher to get the effect.

They have wording for effects that trigger on cast, it will actually say "when you cast..." this is use a spell. You can use a spell to do things after it's already been cast.

 

[FrogReaver]

They have wording for effects that trigger on cast, it will actually say "when you cast..." this is use a spell. You can use a spell to do things after it's already been cast.

Using a spell isn't defined anywhere in the rules. Given the natural language style of 5e it could just as easily be a reference to casting a spell as using a spell in some non-casted manner.

 

[cbwjm]

Using a spell isn't defined anywhere in the rules. Given the natural language style of 5e it could just as easily be a reference to casting a spell as using a spell in some non-casted manner.

Exactly, natural language. Did you use a spell to restore hit points? If yes, then it applies.

 

[FrogReaver]

Exactly, natural language. Did you use a spell to restore hit points? If yes, then it applies.

It depends on what use means in this instance.

 

[Guest User]

Using a spell isn't defined anywhere in the rules. Given the natural language style of 5e it could just as easily be a reference to casting a spell as using a spell in some non-casted manner.

The verbiage used for "When you cast a spell of X, then Y happens" is fairly uniform.

Can anyone point to examples where a change of verbiage for these types of abilities is Just Natural Language?

The Storm Sorcerer has an ability that triggers when they start casting a spell.
The intent, even when conveyed through natural language, is clear.

Disciple of Life states this:
Also starting at 1st level, your healing spells are more effective. Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to 2 + the spell's level.

Aura of Vitality states this:
You can use a bonus action to cause one creature in the aura (including you) to regain 2d6 hit points.

By any, reasonable, Natural Language standard, Aura of Vitality, is being used when initially cast, and later when the player uses Aura of Vitality and their character's Bonus Action to heal hit points.

Aura of Life...is Concentrating on a spell using it? No.
Yet, when Aura of Life does heal someone, by Natural Language, you have just used the spell.

 

[Guest User]

It depends on what use means in this instance.

I'm posting this for entirely satirical reasons. (No Politics)
FrogReaver, what you wrote above sounds suspiciously similar to this:

 

[Paul Farquhar]

It depends on what use means in this instance.

That depends upon what "means" means.