D&D 5E What is the appeal of the weird fantasy races?

[doctorbadwolf]

So has anyone considered that the centaur climbs Batman '68 style?

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But but but...adventurers can't be assumed to have rope!

 

[Maxperson]

So has anyone considered that the centaur climbs Batman '68 style?

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Turning the camera sideways and walking across the floor?

 

[Remathilis]

Turning the camera sideways and walking across the floor?

No worse of an idea than shouting a guy healthy again... [emoji2369]

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Turning the camera sideways and walking across the floor?

With a rope.

Well within the level of reasonability that is normal for fantasy stories.

 

[Hussar]

Related to DCs, race can make a difference depending on the check. A dwarf is going to have a harder time convincing most elves as an example.

As long as the DM is up front about how they're going to do things and consistent I don't see a problem.

Why? Or is this a campaign specific example? Dwarves and elves have no particular feelings one way or another in 5e.

And, just to toss in my 2cp to the centaur climbing, actually, if they could have a rope climb like that, there'd be pretty much no reason they wouldn't climb 60's batman style. That's a pretty reasonable way for a larger creature like a centaur, with it's odd center of balance, to climb up a wall.

This video is saying it's the best way to go up a verticle face:

 

[Paul Farquhar]

So has anyone considered that the centaur climbs Batman '68 style?
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Doesn't get round the problem that a medium sized centaur isn't strong enough to lift it's own body weight, as per RAW, and therefore, unlike Batman, cannot do that.

The game is most fun if you simply play it out. Figuring a way to get the centaur player into those difficult places is just another challenge for the players to overcome. I once had a large, six-legged player character in a Traveller campaign. They sometimes had trouble fitting through spaceship hatches and the like. Dealing with alien physiology is part of the fun of playing an alien.

 

[Hussar]

Doesn't get round the problem that a medium sized centaur isn't strong enough to lift it's own body weight, as per RAW, and therefore, unlike Batman, cannot do that.

The game is most fun if you simply play it out. Figuring a way to get the centaur player into those difficult places is just another challenge for the players to overcome. I once had a large, six-legged player character in a Traveller campaign. They sometimes had trouble fitting through spaceship hatches and the like. Dealing with alien physiology is part of the fun of playing an alien.

Umm, why not? An 18 str medium sized centaur can most certainly lift it's own body weight. And, the whole point of doing wall crawls like that is you aren't actually lifting your entire body weight. That's why it's a lot easier to climb like that.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Umm, why not? An 18 str medium sized centaur can most certainly lift it's own body weight.

No. It can't. It can lift 15x18=270 lb. A centaur weighs at least 600 lb.

And, the whole point of doing wall crawls like that is you aren't actually lifting your entire body weight. That's why it's a lot easier to climb like that.

You lift body weight x cos (angle to the wall). The angle in the picture is about 7 degrees, which means our 600 lb centaur still has to lift 592 lb.

 

[Azzy]

The last several pages here are pretty bizarre.

Agreed.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Since I've told you at least 3 times that I'm not saying that, I'm going to tell you to stop twisting my arguments to suit your needs. If you don't want to be called out for twisting arguments. Stop doing it.

In duration, yes. That's it. Otherwise you are a PC using the dragon statblock in both cases.

Yes. There are a lot of changes that I don't use. I already know that.

Okay, so what are you trying to argue here?

We know you are allowed to homebrew. What else do you want me to say?

Your argument that you gave previously that Centaurs in other worlds have to be Large and Monstrosities is clearly misplaced, because not too long ago in 4e, every single one of them was Fey. Maybe you hate 4e lore and and yadda yadda yadda, but it does demonstrate that making the Centaurs of Forgotten Realms Fey is clearly not a huge deal, because it was done.

So, you keep arguing, what point are you trying to get across? "If I as the DM homebrew to allow a player to play a centaur statblock from the Monster Manual they are allowed to use a statblock from the Monster Manual"? Is that literally the only thing you are trying to say?

Because I've conceded that blatantly obvious statement a dozen times and you keep trying to argue something while telling me to stop putting words in your mouth. So state it plainly, beyond "I'm allowed to homebrew" what. is. your. point?

No, they can't. Horse hooves, which are a fact in 5e for centaurs, can't do that. Nor are they strong enough to drag themselves by nothing but their arms.

Horse hooves can't do what? Step sideways? Nothing about a horses hoof prevents a small sideways motion. And if they are stepping up and down with a single front leg, and then a single back leg... don't see horses hooves not able to do that either.

So, perhaps you aren't understanding what I'm describing, because your rebuttal seems to be nonsensical.

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No. It can't. It can lift 15x18=270 lb. A centaur weighs at least 600 lb.

You lift body weight x cos (angle to the wall). The angle in the picture is about 7 degrees, which means our 600 lb centaur still has to lift 592 lb.

Drag is 18*30 = 540 lbs, which is far more accurate to the limit instead of counting just basic encumberance

Also, if we are going with this plan of walking up with a rope, then you could create a rope sling, to take some of the weight, and use the block and tackle, which multiplies your weight you can lift by another 4, getting you 2,160 lbs

Additionally, since you are walking, you may be able to argue using Equine Body, which allows the centaur to count as large, doubling that value to 4,320 lbs


Oh, and an athletics check can let them do more than any of the listed numbers.