D&D 5E D&D Team Productivity?

[Don Durito]

So what is the big gap that so desperately needs to be filled anyway?

More player options? (Perhaps I'm alone in finding new subclasses utterly tedious and mostly illusory).
More adventures? (you could hardly have time to play through everything they have released and if you do, well there's no shortage of 3rd party stuff.
Settings? (It's a cinch to use any of the old 2E settings and there all available to download now and in any case, it's not like they haven't produced quite a few of these anyway).

Or is it less about wanting more stuff and more about wishing there was different stuff that you actually wanted to buy?

 

[JiffyPopTart]

Who do you think made the magazine content? It wasn't in-house writers by and large, it was submissions. Admittedly, they are very different situations, so it is best to consider neither. But if we count the magazine material, we would have to compare it with DMsGuils.

If someone was paid by TSR to write an article then that content belongs to TSR and belongs on the pile. This is the case for Dragon in the 1e era and also for the current products like Aquisitions Inc or Rick and Morty.

This is unrelated to some third party who sells a compatible article they weren't contracted to work on by TSR or WotC.

If you don't agree, then you don't agree. I say if you trace the ownership of the material and it says TSR or WotC then it counts for the scale.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

So what is the big gap that so desperately needs to be filled anyway?

More player options? (Perhaps I'm alone in finding new subclasses utterly tedious and mostly illusory).
More adventures? (you could hardly have time to play through everything they have released and if you do, well there's no shortage of 3rd party stuff.
Settings? (It's a cinch to use any of the old 2E settings and there all available to download now and in any case, it's not like they haven't produced quite a few of these anyway).

Or is it less about wanting more stuff and more about wishing there was different stuff that you actually wanted to buy?

At this point the big gap for me is magic items and spells. I have enough monsters with 3rd party product but I'm not as accepting of 3rd party additional items and spells.

Also I'd like to see some optional advanced combat options in an Unearthed Arcana style supplement.

 

[Don Durito]

The problem with new spells is that players don't use most of the spells they already have.

And frustratingly that seems to be by design.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So what is the big gap that so desperately needs to be filled anyway?

More player options? (Perhaps I'm alone in finding new subclasses utterly tedious and mostly illusory).
More adventures? (you could hardly have time to play through everything they have released and if you do, well there's no shortage of 3rd party stuff.
Settings? (It's a cinch to use any of the old 2E settings and there all available to download now and in any case, it's not like they haven't produced quite a few of these anyway).

Or is it less about wanting more stuff and more about wishing there was different stuff that you actually wanted to buy?

I would like to see psionics, setting-specific mechanics (particularly Planescape, Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Dark Sun and Spelljammer), more spells, and rules for using 5e in non-heroic fantasy genres (science-fiction, urban fantasy, modern, low fantasy, etc). The Historical Reference series from 2e was amazing; I'd like to see more stuff like that.

For example. I'm sure other people want other stuff. I could get what I want elsewhere (and have) or make it up of course. I'm just saying I would buy those things if WotC produced them.

 

[Parmandur]

If someone was paid by TSR to write an article then that content belongs to TSR and belongs on the pile. This is the case for Dragon in the 1e era and also for the current products like Aquisitions Inc or Rick and Morty.

This is unrelated to some third party who sells a compatible article they weren't contracted to work on by TSR or WotC.

If you don't agree, then you don't agree. I say if you trace the ownership of the material and it says TSR or WotC then it counts for the scale.

TSR didn't assign employees articles: they took fan submissions and paid for them of they liked the submission. Fundamentally identical to fans submitting their work on the DMsGuild and getting promoted by WotC editors who review submissions. Different day, same stuff.

 

[Umbran]

I don't think that would apply if there isn't an objective truth. This is just personal preference on how much content people want to see.

Well, in theory, there's something like an optimal pace of release for the market at the time.

Historically (and, I think, here and now) a whole lot of armchair quarterbacking about it.

 

[Umbran]

Sure. When you starve people, they lap up scraps. You don't need to starve people, though. You can give them more than just scraps and still leave them hungry for more.

Your emotionally loaded language here doesn't help your case. And it is also kind of insulting to the fans, suggesting that they are so slavish that they couldn't look to another game if the quality of offering weren't good.

I recognize you aren't getting what you want. But being disrespectful to everyone else is not a valid solution to that. Please tone down the rhetoric.

 

[Mistwell]

The rate of release of hardcover rules books is close to the same in both editions. I'm not looking at page count, but rate of release. If you're going to count stuff that really doesn't push the game as a whole forward, such as settings and adventures, 5e has more settings and bigger adventures. 1e still had a decent number of settings, as well as tons of smaller modules to play.

5e unquestionably has a faster rate of release of hardcover books. I think it only had 13 total hardcover books over 11 years? 5e already has 13 hardcover books in 6 years not including ANY hardcover adventure books, and another 13 hardcover adventure books (not including the upcoming ones during the rest of year 6). 5e also has a ton of smaller modules to play - this is just, again, people ignoring WOTC's publishing of numerous smaller modules on the DMs Guild, like these.

I get it Max, you want more. I don't fault you for wanting more, I am just bugged you won't ever acknowledge the possibility that what you want isn't what most people want for this edition, or that what we have might be the middle ground you don't really want a middle ground but instead want something much closer to 3e's schedule. I think you keep calling it a middle ground because otherwise you'd have to reconsider that first possibly (that what you want might not be what most people want).

 

[Maxperson]

5e unquestionably has a faster rate of release of hardcover books. I think it only had 13 total hardcover books over 11 years? 5e also has a ton of smaller modules to play - this is just, again, people ignoring WOTC's publishing of numerous smaller modules on the DMs Guild. And no I am not talking about third party support.

Only two that are general rule books. Specialized rules settings and modules don't count for this conversation......as you well know when you responded with the same thing...............................................again. How about you respond to what I'm talking about and not what you want me to have been talking about?