IRON DM General Discussion

el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
A dream from 2003:

Last night I dreamt I was hitting on this hottie nerdy woman and she had to go to work, so I walked her there and it was an immense bookstore - and on a shelf beside the counter was two shelves of thick volumes labeled "IRON DM" with other people's names on them.

I flipped through them and they were IRON DM reference books with tons of old entries, judgments, dos and don'ts in adventure writing, lists of ingredients and definitions of rare words and terms and a glossary. It was amazing. It was like 12 books each the size of the complete works of Shakespeare, plus some smaller books.

I don't remember the name of the author, but I started flipping out. "But I invented IRON DM!" I cried.

"No, these have been around for a long time. At least like 12 years," the hot nerdy woman said.

I was furious as I was certain someone had ripped me off. But then it struck me that I had never learned who had won the IRON DM of Fall 2003 - so I tried to find the right book with the results - but then it struck me - all reference to my name had been removed.

My anger tripled! And then the alarm went off and I had to get up and go to work.

Pielorinho, what are you doing to me?
 

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el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
And here are the rules I posted for IRON DM Winter 2004, which had the first (only?) 12-contestant tournament with a round-robin final round.

Here Are the Rules for IRON DM - Edited for this Tournament

1) Twelve contestants will be chosen for this tournament. Two slots being reserved, the first 10 people to post after 12:30 pm in this thread saying they want to play.

2) Alternates are only used if a contestant is not available at the agreed time of post the ingredients (see below) and no other arrangement has been made with the contestant in question ahead of time. The judge reserves the right to choose an alternate if a chosen contestant’s schedule becomes too inconvenient to work around. Note: Alternates should not get their hopes up. I have seen an alternate used perhaps 3 times in all the IRON DM tournaments I have run, participated in or observed.

3) The judge determines who gets paired with who based on availability of the contestants and based on whatever factors he deems appropriate to use.

4) The ingredients consist of six items. Typically (but not limited to), one or two monsters (like bugbear and bulette), one or two persons (a mayor or a blind bard), a place (a grain mill or a haunted marsh), one or two things (like a wand of magic missiles or a sharpened spoon), and an abstract concept or event (fear or a birthday party).

5) The ingredients are then used to design an overview of an adventure. You should try to either give the items equal importance in the adventure, or ingenious and pertinent ways to incorporate into the adventure. You are free to add and create any other elements of the adventure, but the use of too much filler to bring unrelated objects together will likely lead a judgment against you.

6) The length of an entry varies. Anything from a detailed side-trek to outline for a longer adventure is allowed. However, being too long and too specific can work against you as if you bore the judge you are likely to lose. Try to keep it below 2500 words. Do not worry about stat blocks. However, being too short and too vague can work against you as well, as leaving too many pertinent questions unanswered is a sign of a weak adventure. Note: Due to the extra number of match-ups in this tournament, I will be a lot stricter about length - You stand warned. The 2500 limit does no include the inclusion as a list/summary of the ingredients and how they were used as a postscript to your entry.

7) The judge reserves the right to disqualify any entry due to poor formatting or atrocious spelling and/or grammar, which makes reading the entry too difficult to be worth it. You have to be pretty bad for this to happen, but you stand warned.

8) Contestants have 24 hours (based on the posting time) from when the ingredients are posted to post their entry. To be safe, you should simultaneously email the entry to the judge in question.

9) Once your entry is posted you may not edit it. Any editing is grounds for an immediate disqualification. If something is so terrible that is has to be fixed PM the judge about it. Remember to list your ingredients and who you are competing against at the top of your entry.

10) Obviously, one of the two contestants has to post first. We go by the honor system that the latter contestant will NOT read his competitor’s entry until AFTER he has posted his own.

11) Comments and questions are welcome from the peanut gallery, however, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THE INGREDIENTS or give any kinds of suggestions until after both entries are posted and do not comment on the entries in any specific way until after judgment is posted.

12) An entry posted even one minute past the deadline is disqualified, unless the poster’s competitor is willing to let it slide, or the judge sees a reason for an extension to be called (boards going down, for example).

13) All judgments are final. Judgments are direct and honest and can often come off as harsh. Your scenario will be picked apart. Deal with it. It is part of the fun. If you do good you will also get gushing praise, but a poorly used ingredient will be pointed out like a gigantic glistening yellowed zit on your nose in home economics class.

14) Each round is single elimination, except the final round, where the three finalists will each get two matches (one against each of the other two) to determine the finalist. The finalists will be provided with a single "special tie-breaking ingredient" which they may use in either their first or second match (but not both). In the case of a three-way tie, how this specific ingredient was handled will determine the winner.

15) In the final round, the judge may include up to 10 “bonus ingredients” in the ingredient list. The contestants may use as few or as many of these ingredients are they like. However, their use is only counted in the case of a needed tie-breaker (when the level of competition is very good or very bad ties are not all that uncommon). Please do note, that the use of a bonus ingredient can still be counted AGAINST you if you use it poorly even if there is not a tie-breaker situation, so choose carefully.

16) The winner of the third and final round is crowned “Iron DM” and he (or she) will be guaranteed a seat in the next IRON DM tournament.
 

el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
That last post reminds me that in addition to the matches themselves, I'd like the site to have a rules page and a "History of IRON DM" page.
 

el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
IRON DM 2004 is where I pissed everyone off with my judging, there was a lot of grousing, and a couple of people would never play again (or at least until after I not involved anymore). 🤷‍♂️ :ROFLMAO:
 




el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
Same thing he had always done: make unpopular judgements. :p

Have I mentioned really looking forward to judging again?

Judge Judy Do Not Want GIF
 

el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
And here is my issue with grousing/second-guessing judgements:

A former contestant said:
No offense to my opponent, but that was the worst judgement I have ever seen.

Not that it somehow challenges the authority of the judge, but that it can't help but likely offend your opponent. I like smack talk as much as the next guy (more even!) - but maybe it is best to keep that limited to before judgement. Playful smacktalk is fun, but when the judgement comes down good sportsmanship is more important regardless of how you feel about it. Complain to your friends via DMs or something.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
And here is my issue with grousing/second-guessing judgements:



Not that it somehow challenges the authority of the judge, but that it can't help but likely offend your opponent. I like smack talk as much as the next guy (more even!) - but maybe it is best to keep that limited to before judgement. Playful smacktalk is fun, but when the judgement comes down good sportsmanship is more important regardless of how you feel about it. Complain to your friends via DMs or something.
I assume that gripes like that are why the panel was adopted in the first place; it’s a lot harder to make that argument when it’s not just the one judgement you’re railing against.

That particular evolution happened while I was taking a few years off from the internet. When I returned, it seemed a good change. Since then, the only tournaments we’ve had with only one judge have been those where I couldn’t round up enough judges for a full panel. (Big time-commitment, after all.)
 

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