Pathfinder 2E What's the deal with 3rd party PF2E Adventure "support"??

[FrozenNorth]

The amount of 3PP support I have, in print, on my game shelves right now for Pathfinder 2E is more than I did after the first three years of D&D 5E, so it seems ahead to me.

Can you elaborate on what books you have?

 

[darjr]

When did Primeval Thule and Tome of Beasts come out?
Ultramodern5 was 2016 wasn’t it? And Frog God? Adventures in Middle Earth was 2016 too wasn’t it?

Am I miss remembering? I’m a little ill at home at the moment.

Wasn’t the thread about adventures?

 

[Morrus]

When did Primeval Thule and Tome of Beasts come out?
Ultramodern5 was 2016 wasn’t it? And Frog God? Adventures in Middle Earth was 2016 too wasn’t it?

Am I miss remembering? I’m a little ill at home at the moment.

Wasn’t the thread about adventures?

It’s a Pathfinder 2nd Edition thread.

 

[darjr]

@Doctor Futurity brought up the comparison. It sounded off to me is all. But what do I know what they had on their shelf.

 

[Retreater]

Yeah. Frog God is still producing for PF1 (along with 5e and Swords and Wizardry), and I haven't heard any chatter about PF2 content.

 

[Alzrius]

This is what I've heard it comes down to. A lot of 3PP are no longer putting their stuff up on Paizo due to the cut that Paizo takes. DriveThruRPG and Open Gaming Store seem to offer much better terms.

It might not be significant, but I think it also helps that DriveThruRPG has an affiliate program that encourages the people who use it to link back to their store, whereas I don't think Paizo and the Open Gaming Store do. So if someone's asking about more downtime activities for Pathfinder 2E, I'm going to direct them to, say, Rogue Genius Games's Files for Everybody: Downtime Hobbies over on DriveThruRPG rather than on Paizo (though, on looking, it doesn't seem to be there anyway) because it potentially benefits me to do so via that being an affiliate link.

 

[dmccoy1693]

For me, the frustrating thing with 3pp work is not being able to use Golarion lore in any way, shape or form. When I write an adventure, I'd like to have a robust setting behind it, with gods, nations, ethnic groups and so on. Instead you have to either make it super generic, or else do up a robust setting yourself to use as reference.

I have to agree with this. I pioneered the "scratch-off the serial numbers" method with the Book of the River Nations that other Pathfinder compatible publishers used, but there was so much more we couldn't do that we wanted to do. We wanted to make side quest adventures, details about specific locations, etc. None of that happened because we felt that the amount we'd have to scratch out to make it generic enough to work license-wise would make it so generic that no one would know what we were referencing. Ultimately, we did monsters, assassins, and rules reprinting with our own additions.

Players and GMs don't want to switch away from a setting they know and love. So its a choice between generic setting (which is BORING) or making my own and trying to convince people to switch to your less supported setting (which is frustrating).

I love publishing for Traveller. Know why (besides working in a setting I personally enjoy)? Because I don't have to convince anyone to play my stuff. GM's know it is for the setting they already know. From there, it's just a matter of demonstrating the quality of our products. Do I hate the fact that I am (essentially) paying for the license as opposed to a free license, that I can only sell at DriveThruRPG, that (other annoying stuff about the license), yes. But I will GLADLY take them over making more genericness any day.

While I don't publish DMSGuild, we did consider it. Very much so. I think our number of 5e releases reflects our enthusiasm for the generic.

 

[dave2008]

All these guys.

DriveThruRPG.com Community Content Programs

DriveThruRPG.com works with game publishers on two types of programs which allow you to create your own content for your favorite games: one for RPGs (like D&D, Traveler, Cortex, and Cypher System) and one for card games (like Pathfinder Adventure Card Game, Boss Monster, and others).

www.drivethrurpg.com

wow, that is a lot of games with community content options!

 

[dave2008]

The amount of 3PP support I have, in print, on my game shelves right now for Pathfinder 2E is more than I did after the first three years of D&D 5E, so it seems ahead to me.

I'm not sure what you consider 3PP support, but 5e 3PP quickly ramped up right after they updated the OGL and then even more when DMsGuild. Both of those came out in 2016. Until that time it wasn't really possible to make 3PP 5e content. PF2e had the benefit of OGL support from the beginning. Regardless, I am pretty sure if you have more 3PP for PF2e than 5e, it is personal issue. Not a market one.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm not sure what you consider 3PP support, but 5e 3PP quickly ramped up right after they updated the OGL and then even more when DMsGuild. Both of those came out in 2016. Until that time it wasn't really possible to make 3PP 5e content. PF2e had the benefit of OGL support from the beginning. Regardless, I am pretty sure if you have more 3PP for PF2e than 5e, it is personal issue. Not a market one.

I have early 5E 3pp 5E stuff. Frog God did Quests if Doom and 5Evstuff came out very near release.

Kobold Press also did PDFs.