So, Wandavision?

[Maxperson]

What did she do in the immediate aftermath, though? Did she mourn? Did she express any regret?

Are you ignoring the possibility that the excellent actress who pretended to be Wanda's good friend through all those episodes was pretending to be scared?

She expressed the very human emotions of bitterness and anger that her closest friends and allies, including her own mother, betrayed her and tried to murder her.

 

[tomBitonti]

So?

Think, a minute, about the storytelling going on here. Do they have sufficient time left to tell Wanda's story of grief and trauma, as well as a nuanced story about Agatha's past?

I'll repeat - this show is not Agatha's story.

Well, they could have said more. I’m thinking the vagueness is deliberate. They’ve painted Agatha darkly, but not enough to keep us from wondering. That also makes Agatha much more interesting. Note that the director of SWORD even has some ambiguity. Heck, even Thanos made a valid point. Gardeners prune their plants all the time. Marvel has been great at having complexly motivated characters, and I would hesitate to label most of them as simply evil or simply good.

 

[Imaculata]

I'm kinda hoping that they don't kill off Agatha in the final episode. She is way too much fun.

 

[ART!]

I'm kinda hoping that they don't kill off Agatha in the final episode. She is way too much fun.

Yup! I'm really curious to see what they do with her. I can see her being just a WandaVision character who we never see again, and I can see her playing a role in at least some of whatever Wanda is in afterwards, like Multiverse of Madness. Hahn is a level of actress and star that I wouldn't be surprised to see her in a big tentpole movie now. The not knowing about so many things is at least half the fun of this series!

 

[Blue]

Remember that Dr Strange also took a magical book and artifact he wasn't supposed to have, and they didn't kill him for it. The Coven are not good people.

Eh, not so much of Strange.

First, the book isn't forbidden:

Dr. Stephen Strange: What are those?
Wong: The Ancient One’s private collection.
Dr. Stephen Strange: So they’re forbidden?
Wong: No knowledge in Kamar-Taj is forbidden. Only certain practices. Those books are far too advanced for anyone other than the Sorcerer Supreme.

Second, the Eye of Agamotto was curiously undefended - no traps, walk right up from the library and grab it, for something the Sorcerer Supreme is vitally tasked with guarding ... until it is explained in Avengers: End Game that the Ancient One is specifically waiting for Stephen Strange and that he will be "the best of them". Then the lack of protections makes more sense, in that he is being given tact permission to experiment with it. The Ancient One had future knowledge of Strange five years before - she had probably used the Eye to look at possible futures much as Strange himself did in Infinity War.

 

[Blue]

So?

Think, a minute, about the storytelling going on here. Do they have sufficient time left to tell Wanda's story of grief and trauma, as well as a nuanced story about Agatha's past?

I'll repeat - this show is not Agatha's story.

"You have summoned demons and committed unspeakable acts" takes about as long to say. What's put there is intentional.

The writers are being intentionally vague, which is not something you can mistake for she's justified - or that she's not justified. Which makes reveals in the last episode still have punch.

 

[Blue]

Well, they could have said more. I’m thinking the vagueness is deliberate. They’ve painted Agatha darkly, but not enough to keep us from wondering. That also makes Agatha much more interesting. Note that the director of SWORD even has some ambiguity. Heck, even Thanos made a valid point. Gardeners prune their plants all the time. Marvel has been great at having complexly motivated characters, and I would hesitate to label most of them as simply evil or simply good.

Absolutely agree. Killmonger is another example, where T'Challa at least acepts that he was right in that Wakanda standing apart and not helping to shape the future of the planet is wrong. I'm sure some could make an argument for Zemo as well.

 

[Umbran]

The writers are being intentionally vague, which is not something you can mistake for she's justified - or that she's not justified. Which makes reveals in the last episode still have punch.

I expect they are being vague because exactly what she did is not relevant to the plot of the show. In the MCU, you don't create canon details unless you have to. I don't expect any deep reveals about Agatha in the final episode.

 

[tomBitonti]

I expect they are being vague because exactly what she did is not relevant to the plot of the show. In the MCU, you don't create canon details unless you have to. I don't expect any deep reveals about Agatha in the final episode.

I’m thinking Agatha is being used, in part, to flesh out the “magic” part of the MCU universe. Previously, MCU only had Dr Strange, Wanda, and bits from the TV shows. Putting in Agatha seems to be a first step into stories that feature magic more prominently.

I agree, we will only get bits and pieces for a long time, as fits the need of the story. I suspect there will be questions still for years.

TomB

 

[ART!]

I’m thinking Agatha is being used, in part, to flesh out the “magic” part of the MCU universe. Previously, MCU only had Dr Strange, Wanda, and bits from the TV shows. Putting in Agatha seems to be a first step into stories that feature magic more prominently.

I agree, we will only get bits and pieces for a long time, as fits the need of the story. I suspect there will be questions still for years.

TomB

Except previously Wanda was not considered or depicted as a magic-user - other than some baddie referring to her as "the witch" in AoU, IIRC. So we just had Dr. Strange, and Thor talking about magic and science as kind of the same thing...and maybe some other references in Thor movies?