So, Wandavision?

[Imaculata]

I liked how Vision basically defeated himself with logic and reason. Really well written. But what will happen with white Vision now? We didn't see him destroy himself did we?

 

[billd91]

Anyone else bothered by how easy Wanda was let off?

"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." What?! Yeah, ok...Wanda has been mind-raping them for I-don't-know-how-long and she gets to just fly away? And they present Agatha as the main bad guy? Please.

Honestly, no, I'm not bothered at all. For a lot of Marvel characters, the accountability is a personal matter rather than external and it's been that way a long time, not just in the MCU. Yes, the locals were pretty angry with her and felt abused - on the other hand, none of them seemed to be particularly out for her blood either. They knew quite intimately about her grief and trauma because they experienced her nightmares. That might not make them particularly understanding given their anger, but they would also know that their experience was temporary while hers are deeper and more lasting wounds.

 

[Tonguez]

Honestly, no, I'm not bothered at all. For a lot of Marvel characters, the accountability is a personal matter rather than external and it's been that way a long time, not just in the MCU. Yes, the locals were pretty angry with her and felt abused - on the other hand, none of them seemed to be particularly out for her blood either. They knew quite intimately about her grief and trauma because they experienced her nightmares. That might not make them particularly understanding given their anger, but they would also know that their experience was temporary while hers are deeper and more lasting wounds.

dude, one of them begged Wanda to let them die! The only reason they werent out for blood is that they were all traumatised themselves, and terrified of what Wanda would do to them - and she retaliated against them by trying to strangle all of them.

Both Wanda and Tony Stark are examples of what you get when trauma isn't treated. Tony shows classic signs of PTSD. Wanda's is uncontrolled grief and loss. If there's a blame here, it is on folks who should know better. Tony and Wanda didn't need "consequences". They needed some really good therapists.

Then why cant the same argument be applied to Agatha? She didnt need consequences, she needed a good teacher to show her the right way....

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I liked how Vision basically defeated himself with logic and reason. Really well written. But what will happen with white Vision now? We didn't see him destroy himself did we?

Trigger's Broom.

 

[Davies]

Then why cant the same argument be applied to Agatha? She didnt need consequences, she needed a good teacher to show her the right way....

Because she'd murder someone like that to steal their power. Because she's had four hundred years to learn better, and hasn't learned a single thing in all that time about simple human compassion. Because she did not make a mistake, she acted with malice aforethought. Because she went on and on about how people were suffering and did absolutely nothing to personally alleviate any of that. Because you can feel sorry for the dog and still think it needs to be put down.

 

[Imaculata]

Trigger's Broom.

Not entirely. Wanda's Vision shared his knowledge and memories with White Vision. So there are elements of the personality of Wanda's Vision, which may now live on in White Vision.

 

[MarkB]

Not entirely. Wanda's Vision shared his knowledge and memories with White Vision. So there are elements of the personality of Wanda's Vision, which may now live on in White Vision.

That's possible, but it doesn't match the dialogue. What Wanda's Vision said he was doing was removing the blocks preventing iVision from accessing his own stored memories. There was no transfer of data from one Vision to the other.

 

[Staffan]

My impression was that iVision, once unblocked, had access to the Vision's original memories, but not necessarily the emotional context of them. That's basically the situation Carol Danvers was in for a long time in the comics — she had her powers and memories permanently drained by Rogue, and when Xavier helped her regain her memories it was like they had happened to someone else.

 

[Erekose]

My impression was that iVision, once unblocked, had access to the Vision's original memories, but not necessarily the emotional context of them. That's basically the situation Carol Danvers was in for a long time in the comics — she had her powers and memories permanently drained by Rogue, and when Xavier helped her regain her memories it was like they had happened to someone else.

Well it’s a big “if” but if White Vision does have full access to his memories (including the context), he is essentially the “real” Vision as opposed to a magical construct created by Wanda’s needs. That said, it would feel like he is a more ”complete” Vision if he also has Wanda’s Vision’s experiences ...

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

dude, one of them begged Wanda to let them die! The only reason they werent out for blood is that they were all traumatised themselves, and terrified of what Wanda would do to them - and she retaliated against them by trying to strangle all of them.

That was her chaos magic at work. She had not clue when she said to stop it, and waved her hands, that her magic would interpret that as choking everyone into silence/death. Anyone who believes she specifically meant to choke them was not paying attention.

But yeah, who was going to try and step in and arrest her or something after all that had just happened?