D&D 5E D&D compared to Bespoke Genre TTRPGs

[KainGuru]

Now that is irony.

I really didn't think my musings would start a fight, I'm sorry

 

[Hussar]

Nah. Plenty of people have disagreed with me without misrepresenting my statements.

Could it be me? No, it is the children who are mistaken.

Considering you've accused at least three posters and quite probably more, of misunderstanding you, again, it's perhaps possible that your point is not quite as clear as you think it is.

 

[Hussar]

TLDR; there are plenty out there, but they’re outnumbered by garbage, and so finding the useful ones can be tricky.

Sturgeons law does apply.

 

[Hussar]

I really didn't think my musings would start a fight, I'm sorry

You most certainly did not start that.

 

[KainGuru]

You most certainly did not start that.

Ahhh, I may have stumbled into some history then? happens in every forum

 

[Hussar]

I have always seen modules as framework rather than a complete adventure. Though I am reminded of the original Saltmarsh module, being UK written and produced it had a notably different flavour to the the ones produced in the US - so much so that they acknowledge it in the forward, as well as noting that some US readers might find the UK English very different. Same game, at the time, but different expectations of play driven (probably) by different social conventions. Note there was no internet then, there was Dragon magazine (US) and WhiteDwarf (UK), the scenarios in both publications had very different, distinct, flavours: in play you could easily distinguish a WhiteDwarf Adventure from a Dragon Mag Adventure. This is where I believe social conventions cannot be assumed, and games cannot exist in isolation from those social conventions - they are invariably bought to the table because these social conventions are the world we live and, in part, form the lens that our expectations are parsed thru

And, I largely agree. Sure, I'll totally buy that.

But, again, that's a bit separated from my point. Sure, it's a framework, but, when your framework says, X results in Y, then, well, there isn't a whole lot more that's needed is there? It's not like they frame it (heh) as just a suggestion. It's pretty plainly stated, and repeated, again and again.

Which leads to my point that the notion of failure being catastrophic is pretty well documented. It occurs in many, many modules. Far more often than any sort of graduated response does. And, it doesn't really matter if we're talking about stealth or social interactions or finding traps. Failure is very often, by what the module is telling you, catastrophic. If you fail X, then Y happens and Y is almost always irreversible. Fail that Disarm check by 5 (3e rules here) and the trap goes off. There isn't a whole lot of wiggle room here. You aren't expected to tell the player the DC of a trap.

And, again, many people are REALLY bad at calculating odds. I remember one player who, through trial and error realized that the only way his character would disarm a trap was on something like an 18 or better, but, if he failed, the ((IIRC)) lightning bolt that shot out would only affect him on a 1 (his character had evasion or some such thing). So, he kept trying, kept failing and setting off the trap. And, he rolled a 1 on his save before he rolled a successful disarm and the damage of the trap outright killed his character.

Really funny and sticks in my mind, but, a blindingly stupid way to kill your character.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I really didn't think my musings would start a fight, I'm sorry

Not your fault by any stretch of the imagination. Ovimancer and I just don’t get along. I find their general demeanor very...frustrating.

 

[hawkeyefan]

I’m curious how folks have run the G-series adventures for 5e as they appear in the Yawning Portal book. Because I remember playing it back in the day, and there were no rules for stealth in the same sense as there are now. I mean, a thief may have has a 35% chance to move silently or whatever, but the rest of the party would have basically alerted every encounter.

I remember playing it and the DM kept pointing out how the the chief and his entourage in the grand hall were being extremely loud and raucous, so we got away with a bit. But eventually it boiled down to a fight. Of course, why wouldn’t it? That’s why you're there.

But I remember realizing that the whole scenario was eentirely in the DM’s hands. If he wanted to give us a shot, he could. If he wanted to curb stomp us, he could.

That was a frustrating realization for me.

 

[KainGuru]

And, again, many people are REALLY bad at calculating odds. I remember one player who, through trial and error realized that the only way his character would disarm a trap was on something like an 18 or better, but, if he failed, the ((IIRC)) lightning bolt that shot out would only affect him on a 1 (his character had evasion or some such thing). So, he kept trying, kept failing and setting off the trap. And, he rolled a 1 on his save before he rolled a successful disarm and the damage of the trap outright killed his character.

Really funny and sticks in my mind, but, a blindingly stupid way to kill your character.

The stupidest ways are always the most memorable - it's like the old joke: you can do many noble things in your life but get caught f**king one pig and guess what you'll always be known for (looking at you David Cameron)

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Could it be me? No, it is the children who are mistaken.

Considering you've accused at least three posters and quite probably more, of misunderstanding you, again, it's perhaps possible that your point is not quite as clear as you think it is.

Why are you trying to derail the thread over it?

There are people in every community who habitually misrepresent other people’s statements.