Loki! (spoiler thread)

[Zaukrie]

You're... not supposed to like it. That's the point.

Like, I'm fairly certain the whole point of this exercise is to root for Loki to burn down this significant source of predestination, like Loki's whole arc is going to be recognizing that what the TVA is doing is exactly what they professed to want to do on Earth (all that "tyranny of freedom" prattle) and that getting a taste of it themself is will make them realize the flaws in their old tyrannical plans.

I mean... I'm sure there will be the typical MCU twists and turns along the way, and Loki, being Loki, will make non-standard heroic decisions along the way in the name of self-preservation, the TVA will be revealed to be less in control of everything as they appear and/or think they are, yadda yadda, free will and choice will always prevail against predestination, hurray, one last twist at the very end that prepares us for the future, Loki Will Return.

This stuff basically writes itself.

I get all that. But being able to turn off an infinity stone is a bridge too far for me.....

I'm not a fan of any story that is pre-ordained. It was my issue with Eddings' work. It's my issue with any story where the actors have no freedom of will. I can totally get what they are doing, it can be well done, and I can still not like the story. It's why we have so many stories, and kinds of wine or beer.....

 

[Morrus]

Yeah, the predestination thing is clearly the big bad of this story. Predestination = bad. God of chaos burns it all down because that's what he does.

 

[Gradine]

His intellectual superiority has never been demonstrated, and has no apparent effect on anything. Has he ever done anything particularly clever? He bantered once with Tony Stark.

The illusion we've seen occasionally. Teleport once or twice? Have we seen telepathy? He's clearly not a guy who likes to use his superpowers!

I mean... he successfully dethroned and exiled Odin and replaced him without anyone really suspecting a thing for years. That's... not nothing.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

You're... not supposed to like it. That's the point.

Like, I'm fairly certain the whole point of this exercise is to root for Loki to burn down this significant source of predestination, like Loki's whole arc is going to be recognizing that what the TVA is doing is exactly what they professed to want to do on Earth (all that "tyranny of freedom" prattle) and that getting a taste of it themself is will make them realize the flaws in their old tyrannical plans.

I mean... I'm sure there will be the typical MCU twists and turns along the way, and Loki, being Loki, will make non-standard heroic decisions along the way in the name of self-preservation, the TVA will be revealed to be less in control of everything as they appear and/or think they are, yadda yadda, free will and choice will always prevail against predestination, hurray, one last twist at the very end that prepares us for the future, Loki Will Return.

This stuff basically writes itself.

That may be a part of it, but in an interview of Tom Hiddleston, that I would have to dig up again, he basically said that how WandaVision was about grief and Falcon was about prejudice, Loki is about identity.

 

[Gradine]

I get all that. But being able to turn off an infinity stone is a bridge too far for me.....

The stakes, alas, they must always rise

 

[Gradine]

That may be a part of it, but in an interview of Tom Hiddleston, that I would have to dig up again, he basically said that how WandaVision was about grief and Falcon was about prejudice, Loki is about identity.

What is identity without free will? Who are we if not the sum of our choices?

 

[Davies]

His intellectual superiority has never been demonstrated, and has no apparent effect on anything. Has he ever done anything particularly clever?

Remember the "thank you for your assistance" scene? That looks like Natasha getting one over on him. But what happens as a result of it? The Avengers nearly start fighting each other, and are distracted when Clint and the other agents under Loki's control arrive. He got what he wanted out of that exchange.

 

[Morrus]

I mean... he successfully dethroned and exiled Odin and replaced him without anyone really suspecting a thing for years. That's... not nothing.

Mainly offscreen though. I'd like to see him using this superior intellect onscreen.

 

[Zaukrie]

The stakes, alas, they must always rise

I don't agree with that at all. We only have a couple handfuls of movies, we get new supers, they don't need to rise for a good story. The story is about the journey and empathy, not the outcomes.

 

[Morrus]

Remember the "thank you for your assistance" scene? That looks like Natasha getting one over on him. But what happens as a result of it? The Avengers nearly start fighting each other, and are distracted when Clint and the other agents under Loki's control arrive. He got what he wanted out of that exchange.

He did, but it wasn't really all that clever. Not superpower clever.